RE: SPS Proposal [Updated] - Class Action Lawsuit against Facebook, Google & Twitter's Crypto Ad Ban
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this proposal thing is taking up way too much of my time i'll have to put it in for a special day ... i'm always mister yay so brace yourself ...
i AGREE with most of what you say on the blockade and the abuse of the position of power by the tek-9 , tek-5 whatever, however
unless i'm missing something here, you want to sue facebook with €150 a day ?
those people hold suits against entities like the E.U. for years and years and years ... as much as i think they should be checked it sounds like just throwing money in a pit im very sorry. I think you'd have a lot more chance lobbying through politics than you would in a direct attack in court, which will take even longer but i think a direct attack in court has about zero chance. The whole steemit community is not the winklevoss twins ... or MAYBE, (heh) you can get them to side ? in that case you get my vote, like stat, lol they did it for bitcoin ... well no, they actually won and then they thought like "o what should we do with the spare change this got us" and they bought BTC with it ...
please dont take it as my way of speaking but for what im trying to communicate here , you gonna hurt yourself doing that, you see ...
if you attack facebook, the chance of winning is the chance of creating a precedent so the moment you do (you are playing the highest level there) all the others will have you in the visor and will certainly not be supporting you, and that's a lot of big money to have against you if you dont have the politicians with you first
is my sincere and honest opinion
not my intention to just break you down, making a statement like that is very nice but if its just throwing money in a supermassive black hole like that i can not to the best of my conscience support people throwing the much needed money at it. Lobbying is really the way to go ... that's what got microsoft to have to include multiple browsers, it was a E.U. decision, for some reason that wonky idea got viral. Contact some people like Julia Reda or something (in Europe) if you're serious about it, see what she has to say (and people like her of the new wave) cos who am i, after all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Reda ... she will certainly have experience on matters like that and probably be able to point in the direction of people who are actively on it and in seat
just an idea , if you're really serious about it ...
if you gonna play at that level
play to win :) you'll need all the friends you can get up there
Julia Reda
Julia Reda (born 30 November 1986) is a German researcher and politician and was Member of the European Parliament (MEP) from Germany. She was a member of the Pirate Party Germany until 27 March 2019, part of The Greens–European Free Alliance. She has been Vice-President of the Greens/EFA group since 2014. She was also previously the president of Young Pirates of Europe.
Thanks for your long reply, but you have misunderstood things a bit.
We are not suggesting that the SPS contribution is the sum total of all funds going to fight Facebook etc. It is part of a mix of funds from lots of sources.
I am a very experienced lawyer who has twice won cases in the High Court of Australia against an opponent far bigger than Facebook, Google & Twitter put together! I know what league I am playing in and have been there before many times.
The cost of legal cases for most people is mainly from paying lawyers. But when you are an experienced lawyer like me, you can do most of the legal work yourself, and thus it can cost much, much less. I've done this before a number of times.
Unlike the US, where anti-trust law is weak, and the EU, where its all done by government, Australia allows private anti-trust class actions and has strong competition law. You are basing your thoughts on completely different legal regimes from the one we are bringing the class action in.
i seem to mis-understand a lot lately, sorry for that, so
if you dont mind my asking
who was that opponent, bigger than facebook , google and twitter together ?
i wont ask for your references
who was that mighty opponent ?
you see
i'm all up for natural selection, so scamming idiots because you are one would be fine with me
draining the ground i feed on , however , would put you on the exact opposite side
we need some clear perspective here, class action lawsuits against facebook are a bit more heavy than a few people with a quick ICO dipping in the wallets of the middle class
if you can just tell me who that mighty opponent was ?
Why don't you file the suit already?
I'll add a little: I was sceptical when I first interviewed @apshamilton about this. I was doing that a blogger/journalist over a year ago. As I looked at it further I became involved and now I'm part of the team.
Andrew really has sued and won against the Australian Government (which if we're talking about GDP vs combined turnover or manpower or assets especially a whole lot of land) is bigger than Facebook, Google and Twitter combined.
It's worth repeating here: this isn't about funding the case entirely from Steem, but if we receive more of the balance of our funding from ideologically aligned sources (which believe Web 3.0 should be taking over from Web 2.0) that gives us vastly improved bargaining power with established litigation funding firms.
Just so people here know: litigation funding is an established asset class rather like venture capital for law suits. I have more experience dealing with tech VC's and am coming up to speed now with how litigation funding works and it is somewhat similar.
thank you for the clarification, my fear is simply that it would explode in the reverse face as megacorp tends to have as good as unlimited resources and has been weaving and sailing in, out , over , under and between the narrow cracks of law for decades, they got a perma-team im sure of that scanning every single article every single day for minute changes lol. I dont know about Australia but if you were to take them on in Europe they'd probably lash back with stuff like 'the right to be forgotten' (something they can do, but this blockchain thing can't lol ... its not always euhm ... for instance when Apple, i mean when Ireland said "we are okay with the tax-situation" the EU still said NO (as if it was their decision but since its the union they can sue whatever happens in it and they are like the ultimate overlord protectorate ... plus both they and the TEK-5 will stop at nothing to keep the upperhand ... it's a dangerous thin line and i think lobbying would be better than an outright attack, if its by government demand then its not 'your' fault okay, that doesnt put STEEM in the visor of the TEK-5 snipers, they will HAVE to (after several more years of procedure as they have this save-face thing where they can simply agree on day 1) plus lobbying is less enmity, an outright attack is nice and flashy media, especially for the lawyers (no offense but you DO get free advertising when you attack a mastodont with a few 'small' people ... its like lawyer who explicitly choose the defend the mass-murderers in public , thats just an added benefit , no need to discuss the morel-ethics of it all lol) I would prefer lobbying , in conjunction with entities (like the pirateparty here) who are established and 'on the same side' politically AND certainly wont mind the media-attentio going up against a common enemy of their voters , lol. It's 2019 after all, lobbying is the new law