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Charizard is my favorite fire splinterblander. Can't wait for people to realize how boring that game is and maybe put something else up on a pedestal for a change. It isn't anything like Magic and the fact that people advertise it as a card game is annoying. They only use that moniker so people don't question the egregious loot boxes, it doesn't carry on any mechanics that make card games card games.

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If you don't view it as a card game what type of game do you view it as? The "playing parts (NFTs)" are structured as a card and play is turned based like most card games are. Its not the game play itself everyone keeps coming back for. Its the community, its the dedication seen by onlookers that is displayed by the DEVS. Its the many different aspects in which we can play and earn. One does not need to play the game to earn rewards with it. There is the trading aspect, the renting aspect, the multiple ways to earn by bloggin on the games frontend Splintertalk or participating in weekly post challenges. The game play itself is just one aspect and might not even be the biggest part.

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Cards differentiate from other game pieces in that they can be face down. This allows for two main mechanics that games leverage. The first is a deck you can shuffle. This produces a random element from which you can draw from and this makes it so rare powerful cards can exist in a balanced environment so they aren't constantly winning games on their own. The second is secret knowledge. Card game players receive a hand which is their cards to play when appropriate but the other players do not know what is in their hand which adds intrigue and allows a layer of deduction based skills.
I've been around since the beginning of Splinterlands and I have a good sized MTG collection. What you're defending is not a beneficial feature to me. Cults exist all over. A lot of people believe the earth is flat. Just because someone puts faith in something, does not a valid argument make. Splinterlands isn't the worst game ever. It's just rock paper scissors with extra steps and they really dropped the ball folding card game qualities into their "lottobattler". That's why they pull people from gatcha games and not from "other" card games. Maybe things will be different when they add in the items and spells but I'm not sure that's complex enough to make a substantive difference.

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Your first half of your reply points out a type of card game not reasons as to why Splinterlands isn't one. Many card games require cards to be exposed either in full or in part, Ex. Razz/Stud and all its varients inbetween requires cards to be exposed. The card game bingo does as well (game of chance but regardless of that its still a card game). As for shuffle, the shuffle in Splinterlands is not knowing the cards your opponent picks. The last part of your reply can be applied to most things that experience some level of success including those who participate in MTG, Splinterlands or any other traditional or non traditional card game. I agree that Splinterlands certainly isn't for everyone and that is ok. I myself don't spend too much time playing the actual game anymore as theres many other things one can focus on within the Splinterlands universe that I rather do. Thanks for expressing your view point.

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I was just explaining how card games generally work and how the term has been misappropriated so that other styles of games such as gachas can masquerade as card games. This is because card pack opening and loot boxes look almost the exact same and loot boxes are heavily scrutinized by comparison. Aggy constantly cites MTG as the inspiration so they could bastardize the concept less. The problem is that not including the features I mentioned has more consequences than just not appealing to certain demographics. They've designed themselves into a corner that way. I have been investigating this game and others because I used to play mtg semi competitively. This allowed me to link up with a think tank that has been compiling information on these types of games. Ultimately this decision will make it so they can't really succeed in the esports category that they're attempting to pour money into. Esports isn't just about big tournament prizes. It's about creating tension and viewer interaction. As soon as a game that is interesting to watch gets some traction, it will take over the space. Much of the crypto space and normie gamers are already giving up on NFT projects like this as people have better things to do with their time than just play hot potato with greater fool theory.


I like Aggy and Matt so I'd rather see their game work out long term but I'm not sure they're ready to adapt to the changing times. I guess we'll see what happens long term. It's an interesting experiment to follow regardless.

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people have better things to do with their time than just play hot potato with greater fool theory.

One would hope so but the world we currently live in has everyone glued to a screen so sadly I do not believe that to be the case. If people are willing to sit for hours playing games like Candy Crush they will sit and play a game that earns them currency. The trick is making that currency easily spendable for those earning it. I come from traditional card games (mostly poker), Splinterlands is first of its kind I have played. Thanks for the convo, I'll give the video you posted a viewing once I got the time to do so.

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Play to earn sounds great until you do the math. I don't even think the game is worth the initial fee and then you have to buy overpriced NFTs and probably sps. Its an accessibility problem. People need to recoup their initial investment before they actually earn money which takes quite a bit of time. Its very reminiscent of a pyramid scheme And then the game is pay to win so you'll need to buy a lot more to stay competitive because the skill ceiling is low. On top of that, they botched the opportunity to make an accessible modern format. It probably has more problems than the original format. I started disliking the game when they did collection power and land but the beginning of sps is when dumb investor money starting piling in so they started taking advice from people who took the game in a horrible direction.

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Re, Entry Fee: I disagree, I think the Splinterlands game is well worth the $10 entry fee. I have and many others have shown that worth by starting from scratch on alt accounts and earning our $10 fee back relatively quickly. In fact having just the $10 starter cards and potentially a handful of other cards was so lucrative that at one point some players decided to form armies of bots to farm rewards. Other players decided to play numerous alt accounts in low leagues instead of building one account to play in higher leagues. For most traditional games cost money with no return. How many checker/chest boards has one purchased. How many tradition 52 decks of cards that give no return. There is people who spend $80 plus on XBOX games and then much more on added content for said game with no return. If instead they tossed $80 into a play2earn game like Splinterlands they can almost instantly start earning that spent money back. One can be successful in Splinterlands without spending thousands all one needs to do is adjust their expectations (being competive at the Novice League wouldn't require big bucks spent). One can't expect to make bank with a $10 entry fee investment.

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Its funny how much low hanging fruit people pick to make apples to oranges comparison. People spend money on crack too. Might as well just compare Splinterlands to that. My favorite is when people compare NFT card games to MTG arena when Magic online exists.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/mtgo

Part of the fee for splinterlands is making a Hive account which I already have. Back when I considered paying the fee, I watched Aggy give a bunch of vouchers for free accounts to someone in Decentraland. That's why I turn my nose up to it. I'm not into getting cucked out of my money and pay into something that is selectively enforced. I didnt mean that you couldn't make your $10 back and then some. I just don't think the base game is worth that fee personally since it doesn't come with any NFTs. People are really struggling in the lower ranks so this problem isn't something I'm just imagining. You'll have to excuse my sardonicism though. This is mostly for bantering and not meant to be a 1 to 1 representation of the value of the game. It's more of an offset to the sycophanticism I see but I like talking to people willing to explore the nuance.

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Your comparion of crack to Splinterlands can be applied to anything. All gaming is addictive, MTG included. As for ROI, it was mention due to your claims of the $10 fee not being worth it and your added claims that it cost too much to be competitive. I see selection bias in your responses. I find your own words, "ts funny how much low hanging fruit people pick to make apples to oranges comparison", very fitting for your response.

Keep the sardonicism, it doesn't bother me as I do the same myself.

As for some paying the fee and others not. That is normal in any company. I worked as an affilaite for many different companies and its not uncommon for X people to get A deal while Z people get B deal and the masses get C deal. Its a form of marketing that helps brings eyes to the product when done correctly. For example, if the person who got a free Splinterlands account(s) did affilate work than giving them free accounts to hand out to investors could be positive ROI and/or Positive PR. You are painting things black and white but such things can't be painted as such.

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I didnt say crack to make a comparison to how addictive it was. It was about using things that are a waste of money as a baseline instead of something worth investing into. I'm aware of what is normal but I can calculate how much value is added or extracted from these free spell books and what I could do if I promoted the product as well. This is why they had to pull bulldog from his star wars gacha instead of bringing in legit TCG players. I just think they could have wasted less resources by being authentic about their product instead of the masquerade they have going on. Oh well. I know many people in the greater TCG community and what their impression is of this kind of product.

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I didnt say crack to make a comparison to how addictive it was

I'm aware, I address ROI directly after mentioning the addiction comment.

Its in the paragraph directly after that one sentance about addiction.

I'm not sure how BullDog got his position, he very well might have applied for his position.

Who knows maybe he will chime in himself (@bulldog1205).

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Originally he got paid to do sponsored content as part of their SPS influencer program. I witnessed all of this unfold and have an outside perspective so not sure why you would try to build an appeal to authority out of someone who has an invested interest in furthering the greater fool theory hot potato. In Bulldog's defense, I have seen him make posts about the interests of those struggling in lower ranks before he got his position so he can't be that bad even if his opinion could be compromised from his current position.

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I been with Splinterlands since before it was a game so I witness the events up to now as well. You made the claim Splinterlands pulled Bulldog from his work to work for Splinterlands. I suggested he might of applied for his position. If he was comissioned for prior work or not is only relevant to the potential fact it might of helped get him get hired if indeed he did apply and not been pulled from as you suggested.

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Well I'm specifically talking about before he got his position. He was making content for a star wars gacha (i think it's called Galaxy of Heroes but I could be mistaken) and Aggy specifically mentioned during an AMA that they tried to get people from online TCGs with no success. Then he started making sponsored content for splinterlands but failed to disclose the financial interest which is actually illegal/unethical. Now he has a job there. As sketchy as that sounds on paper, we still need to give credit where credit is due as he has spoken out about anticonsumer practices in the game. There's really good documentation on this but it isn't available on Hive currently and I am not really in a position to leak it unless I want to burn a bridge with my think tank. If people start having more honest conversations, it's likely that the information will be disseminated. If someone wanted to do the forensic work, this could be sorted out manually but Hive has bad indexing so it would be very labour intensive.

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He made (and I think still does) content for various other companies. That doesn't mean he was poached. It only means he got paid (if he was paid) to complete work (likely freelance work). Freelance work falls under a different legal category than traditional work does. Then we have the fact (if he was paid) his pay was likely in game currency. I'm no expert in such legal aspects but its possible he didn't legally need to declare because legally he might not be viewed as being paid. Anyways we got way off topic so I'll end my part of the convo.

Cheers,

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Off topic? I figured this was just a series of natural pivots where the conversation led us. I am just interpreting events from my perspective as I have been present for some time. I enjoy getting outside perspectives and doing stream of consciousness organic flow so I have just been responding to the ideas and questions you've been asking as best I can. Everyone has their own perspective so many intelligent people like finding an aggregate from many different lenses. If you ever want me to circle back to something or explain something better, I can. I wasn't trying to steer the conversation any direction since I don't know you well so I have no idea what would even be optimal there.

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I figured this was just a series of natural pivots where the conversation led us.

Indeed that is what happened. Thanks for the back and forth conversation. Reading the view points of others is always enjoyable and educational for all who partake.

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The claims made by @rawbe are completely untrue. Splinterlands did not pay me to come here, and up until I was actually on payroll as community manager, I have never received a single penny from Splinterlands in exchange for promotions. The only thing I ever received was 100 packs that they gave me to use as giveaways because my stream caught their attention and they thought I was making good content. I did not request them, and there were no strings attached or even guidelines on how I was to give them away (I gave most of them away every time I got a chicken kill on stream). When I first started playing Splinterlands I didn't even try to reach out to the devs, and not once have I ever requested payment for any promotions nor have they ever offered any payment for promotions. All of my Splinterlands content has been 100% organic.

As for my CM position, they posted the job opening and tagged everyone on Discord. I applied, and I got it, thanks in large part to my existing relationship and status with the Splinterlands community.

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I thought as much but I didn't want to speak for someone else. I figured you would want to clear up the unintentional misinformation so I tagged you. Thanks for stopping by and doing just that and thanks for the work you do for Splinterlands and its community.

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Well all of this has come to light from an independent investigation since SPLINC starting offering deals which are actually included in the SPS white paper. SPS exchanged hands in marketing deals which bulldog was a part of. I can substantiate many of my claims so to say everything I am an eye witness to is untrue as well as things that have been revealed in audit seems to be a bit of a character assassination against me after I tried to make some good faith characterizations about him speaking in defense of struggling low ranked people. If I am making libelous claims, people are welcome to reach out legally to correct the record. I will appreciate the disclosure of such a court proceeding as it will give me access to more information. Many former Splinterlands players have reached out to me so there is information that I am privy to but can't reveal at this time. I have been doing my best to take a more nuanced and neutral stance and to understand both sides' perspective but its difficult when certain parties will just make blanket statements that everything I say is wrong rather than pinpointing exact errors. It's not like Bulldog provided any evidence. He just made a statement which could be true or false based on evidence. And you're just taking him at his word.

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You and him provided the same amount of proof, a statement with different claims. I already had a good indication Bulldog applied for his position before he said as much. I was in discord (spent more hours there then I would like to admit) when the file was supplied for anyone who wanted to apply to be a volunteer. He wasn't a team member at the time but became one shortly after said file was shared. Thus its easy for me to believe his claim of applying and not being poached. I just didn't mention so earlier in this conversation as I didn't want to speak for someone else so I tagged him and he cleared up the misinformation.

BullDog very clearly pointed out that he applied for his position and wasn't poached as you suggested. He also very clearly said he wasn't paid for his created content but did get some unexpected assets to give to his viewers (Packs which can be varified in his streams as I watched some of them). From where I'm sititng it looks like things were very clearily pinpointed. You are free to disbelieve and/or disagree with those statements of his but you can't say things weren't pinpointed when they clearly were. I don't feel as anyone has attacked your charactor, you are the one making claims against someone which said person responded to.

SPS exchanged hands in marketing deals which bulldog....

SPS reaches the hands of every person who is even remotely part of the Splinterlands game. Holding cards (here is some SPS) Holding DEC (Here is some SPS) Holding SPT (here is some SPS) Holding land (Here is some SPS). Dropping SPS to streamers is no different than the prementioned drops even if the drop is coming out of a different pool of SPS tokens. Feel free to link the portion of the SPS Whitepaper that you speak of and your exact grievance with it. To be clear I'm not saying the things you say hold zero weight. From my understanding there is a streaming group that gets dropped SPS. Who and when certain people joined that group is unknown to me. How much they get dropped is also unknown to me. I haven't paid much attention to it as I'm not a streamer and I have no interest in that share of the dropped SPS.

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I think a lot of what happened is a misreading of what each other meant because I even tried to reaffirm that I was specifically talking about before Bulldog was hired as CM. So we're not even talking about the same part of the timeline. I wasn't making claims about how he got poached. I was specifically referring to how he was doing content for a star wars gacha game when he was approached to do splinterlands content. Also the whole point of what I was saying was how SL is more like a gacha than a card game and was talking about how they leveraged a content creator from a gacha and not from card games. Aggy has said on multiple occasions how they have reached out to people playing card games like hearthstone and MTG and no one would do their sponsored content. It didn't have anything to do with the CM position at all. That was much later.

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Watching splinter lands is so boring it empties the room and that is why I cant play it, I like to play with a team as well and use team based strategy in real time scenarios. There is nothing for me to enjoy in splinter lands that I enjoy in gaming and I watch gaming streams 4 hours a day.

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I have had a couple guest over that was intrigued by the game after watching me play. After I explained the basic rules they jumped on my account and played a ranked game or two. The game isn't for everyone (no game is). I don't think I could sit and watch back to back hours of it but I'd certainly watch a hyped up tournament that was broadcasted. I routinely watch a handful of ranked/tournament battles here and there.

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I support competitive gaming for sure and appreciate their efforts in that regard but it isn't for me your right.

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