LAND: Cards > Plots?

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail

That should probably be the motto for everyone wanting to utilize LAND soon. But the circumstances are vastly different for all the players: do you belong to the few having entire regions and/or ALPHA and BETA gold foil cards; or do you only have 1-2 plots and a couple of cards? Probably you are in between, like me, but even so that space of possibilities is far and wide. While I can't answer as to what the best strategy is for your situation, I will try to talk about that in between space a bit - perhaps it will be useful.

I have 12 plots and I tried to get some diverse terrains since I don't have cards from only one or two splinters. Still, I pulled 7 Deserts which favors FIRE/DRAGON cards. 7*5 (# of slots per plots) = 35 slots in total that should be filled with this splinter to receive a 10% bonus on production. While that doesn't sound much, it actually is, since you want to put the best cards possible on those plots (highest production points). And cards with higher PPs (3-5k+) are not cheap. The best cards I had from playing for around 3 years were gold legendaries, but the problem is that they were only lvl 1... so they only had 2500 PPs which is not that great considering that a max lvl reward card from the chaos edition is only a couple of bucks. Playing all that time surely did not pay off for getting cards that are great on LAND. But oh well, I guess I can buy them now?

Buying better cards

I quickly realized that having many plots won't really make a great impact if one does not also have the high quality cards to fill them. Sure, if you have a tract or more it is more about quantitiy and filling the best plots with quality cards. But for someone like me only having a dozen plots, I have to focus on quality cards for every plot. The thing is, there are some really great cards atm (at least I think so) that are fairly cheap ($30-$50) with 4k PPs. I say fairly cheap since getting into 5k+ PPs will cost you quickly $100+. The best cards for PPs are gold foil cards and they quickly scale with rarity as you can see here:

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Older cards are also exponentially better than newer ones, but their prices are like in the thousands of $$$ so it's not an option for me.

The sweet spot for me are rare gold foil cards. As mentioned you can get them for $30+ and I am actually buying all the cheap ones up atm... But who knows if that's going to be a good deal? Maybe the SPS I am planning on mining with my plots won't be nearly as high as I am expecting. Perhaps the ROI is only 10% (taking 10 years to get back my initial investment)? Nobody knows for sure now and of course LAND 1.6+ will bring many changes and more so when all the 50+ Ressources will be available.

Conclusion

It seems to me that if you have few plots it makes sense to try and buy some good cards now and focus either on SPS or Research. If you have a tract or more you will probably want to get more cheaper cards and a handful of good ones. The caveat in all of this is of course that nobody knows just how much LAND will be utilized. Perhaps 50-60% would already be great? We should find out in the coming weeks at least.

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It is true that if we have a tract or more, we will want cheaper cards and better cards. Thanks for sharing a nice topic.

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Hi,

offtopic.

i see you are 1 of the biggest delegators to dhedge.

can you please explain me what just happened with DVS? Who is that watchlist market-manipulator network? How is it possible that the daily drops based on the current price?

does it mean, it's pretty much over?

thx

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yesterday price crashed because there were no more buy orders... we'll have to see how things will unfold

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yes, i know that, but i didn't know the daily drop's tied to current marketprice. and we know, it wasn't a coincidence. if the taskmanager guy didnt know about it, didnt see what that accounts were doing with dvs in the last 1+ month... well. it's obvious.

it was the maddogtime-watchlist account network market-manipulation. looked at back. it's clear. few minutes before the drop, he fullfilled all the buy orders and made a little buy for 0.01

it's pretty much obvious how things unfold. most of the people lost huge on this, what they will never get back. and i suppose none of them are so stupid, they will buy a single more DVS from that account network, what anyway pulled out 1k+ HIVE from our pocket in the last month, just by abusing the low volume DVS market. taxing everybody, who wanted to get involved in it. even that wasn't enough...

pretty disgusting...

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the daily drops tied to the lowest sell order was a bad idea. I am obviously biased since I delegated to dhedge and was also interested in lowering the sell order price... there should be an average price calculated over the last 24h for the drops instead.

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sorry. but how it happened, it 100% looks like not even scam, but pure theft.

do you know what other accounts belong to the same gang? i obviously are going to unstake and leave this crap, just don't want to get involved in another, where the same gang would steal from me.

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I always thought watchlist simply made a bot to trade the margins which made sense for this token. Sniping the lowest buy orders was a great incentive to everyone staking to dhedge. Not sure if there necessarily was a "gang" involved in it

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maybe just 1 person, but so many accounts, i lost in that network, so maybe more.

well, i checked, few of his vote harvesting accounts, those used DVS, too. found few more accounts what i dont know belong to the maddogtime-watchlist network or not.

basically, they planned to push down the vote % by staking part of the huge DVS drop they got yesterday (and will get in coming days), so kinda force others to buy from them more and more DVS, if they want to get any upvote. yesterday i think doubled the DVS in circulation, coming week will double it again.

so it was a well-planned thing, he/they exactly knew how they want to suck out more money from our pockets

anyway, even the ones, who used it as a vote harvesting tool, will lose on it. and i didn't abuse the system in that way...

it was good for the few big delegators, obviously, anybody who bought DVS, the 100s are going to lose on it, a pretty big amount.

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Maybe you could reveal more about that "maddogtime-watchlist" group. I haven't looked at it but I know that some big Hive Accounts downvote that kind of behavior if it is brought to their attention

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The supply of DVS should stabilize quite a bit if there are buy orders in the 0.1 range. The drop yesterday happened at around 0.01..

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i know, i got 29 DVS instead of 0.26 a day before. 111x... :)

well, who will buy this anymore??? just as a base principle, even if it would be worthy (but it's not), i won't give a single cent to a person who purposely did it for exactly that reason, that i will/should buy more...

i really hope, nobody is that stupid, that they keep 'donating' to him, let him tax them further.

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well I mean one could buy "whale" DVS lvls by putting in a couple of hundred Hive now. Not that I would recommend that, but the project has only been running for 2 months so it could balance itself out. Of course everyone who bought DVS before yesterday is screwed...

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😀 ... then how it would balance itself? who would balance it? when there are less and less users on Hive, partly because of individuals who did this one... whoever wanted to get involved in it, already did in last 2 months... so everybody is screwed except who did it and the other few big delegators.

you or other big stakers will double everybody's DVS for free? (i am not sure but i suppose approx the double went out yesterday) or mr. maddogtime-watchlist network? not even that could 'balance' it.

anyway obviously, it won't happen.

just quickly checked:

10 accounts delegate 10k+ HP
12 accounts 2k-10k HP
100+ accounts between 100-2000 HP
and approx another 100 accounts less

obviously most of the people from that 200+ under 2k HP delegation bought some, they are all fucked... for the couple of $100s it was really worthy... and least those ones leart the lesson, too. i suppose some of them will leave Hive, too. and they do it right. (i complain a lot vs. financial system, govs, banks, corps. but they are all lovely angels compare to these parasites here... even they rule against similar actions.)

and noteworthy that few accounts just started to delegate HP in the last couple of days, like the zartisht (the rest is smaller), what is clearly belong to this account network of maddogtime-watchlist, and post just crap for vote harvesting.

(i hardly can follow, what that parasite does amongst his account network... but it's still very obvious.)

right after 'they, he' tested how the DVS drop works:

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i just don't understand the real whales why don't stop these... it's pure stealing from them, too...

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You do know that HIVE simply allows for L2 communities? A flawed code in a l2 does not mean that Hive is itself flawed. From my perspective Hive is getting better with every upgrade and is retaining also more users recently. It certainly is more sustainable than e.g. stars academy. The balance I refer to is the market itself with supply and demand.

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yes, i got that. that doesn't mean the value of that amount what people spent for DVS won't be taken out by this group.

anyway, done with the 2nd layer tokens, i am in only 1 more. and after that no more. not like i didnt know it before, but now i've even seen from the first line what and how have to do things.

you mean more accounts, not users. i saw that, too. checked out few, most of those created by account networks, not real new users. and they just take out value, don't bring any.

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While Hive is no where perfect, I don't think there is a better alternative out there. If you know let me know. Every social media dapp built on a blockchain seems to have similar problems and there are many receiving meaningful payouts on Hive, especially in countries where the cost of living is much less than the US. A successful L2 community or tokens could be LEO or Splinterlands, although they are facing problems currently. All of this is a giant experiment, maybe it'll work eventually. But I get why one should be very cautious in investing them.

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I exactly knew, it's not an investing at all. However, i supposed it won't be stolen by a person/group within 2 months. Also supposed whoever creates something like this, act with a little bit of responsibility. It was suspicious, as he didn't write anything about it, basically nothing. Now I know why.

This actual case has connection mostly to a person/group's greed level. Nothing else.

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It’s more about Dhedge having no volume and a legit seller was able to dump price no? They didn’t steal coins? They delegated and rightfully earned them no? I honestly don’t know what ur saying is happening because you just keep going on emotional rants and insult others commenting.

It’s impossible to trust anything u say when u just accused me of the same thing u said this big account did. You are emotionally immature and prolly going to burn every bridge you have here. Honestly bud, u should log off for a few days. You insulted and made bogus Claims about me just cause I asked you questions about your claims. You seem unhinged. We all got upset , but yea log off man. It’s only you acting like this. If you make false claims about people just asking for more info honestly interested In what u say like , why yhd hell would I believe anything u tell me now. Log off and stop burning bridges by saying insane false things about people just asking u questions. Nobody can take you seriously after some of these unhinged replies….

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pure market manipulation. he/they doubled the circulation of DVS by this action in a day (actually, it all happened within 10 minutes), and most of the new coins landed on his/their accounts + other big delegators.

That was the first day. that devaluated the value of everybody's coins by 50%. that's still great for big delegators. sucks for anybody who bought earlier...

i saw your last Hive moves, checked those accounts, after diggin into the maddogtime/watchlist dozens of account networks, i didnt go further with yours. 100% delegations, moving around... 99% it signals that. and i don't really care further. not like anybody does on Hivve.

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i think, i explained it several times about the DVS. you just trying to ignore, discredit that fact.

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I’ve transferred hive to multiple accounts I own makes me a bad actor? Bro WTF are u smoking? The clip of the day account hasn’t upvoted or posted In a year 😂

Ur outta ur mind man.

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Not hiding anything , I also openly delegate from two of my accounts to the other. You got a weird opinion of doing something shady man.

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The sad thing is, as I dig u might be making correct points on the Dhedge thing. But now u throw nonsense things at me and screen shot me moving money to different accounts I openly own? Bro u are outta ur head. No wonder nobody besides Dhedge supports you

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i told you i didnt go further. i just saw that. i dont care further. anyway, if it's not true, why are you so offended and keep popping on it???

and anyway, next to that, do you read, understand what you are writing, throwing back? :) prob. not me who should take that few days off... :)

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So ur just a troll. Got it. Have a good life ✌️

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you too!!!

anyway, yes, now i see, you proved it! 😀 you are not operating any vote harvesting account network... you just bought DVS for 1.1 HIVE, when all the acc. networks are selling, unloading the 1000s they got for basically free a day before... 👌

feel sorry for you.🙏

https://cfoxon.github.io/?p=market&t=DVS

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Gonna mute ya now. I won’t continue downvoting u , which btw I hadn’t used downvote function since 2021… you cross a line making lies up about me so I thought it was called for. Leave my name out ur mouth and I’ll do same. Just , man if u just weren’t acting like a child making nonsense accusations we could have had a respectful chat. I hope you find whatever ur looking for. U seem to just blame everybody but urself for being miserable. It’s u bro.. peace out

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This guy PokerMaria
Is just going on emotional rants at this point. I asked them to clarify what they meant about it being a scam and they accused me of running a conspiracy vote network 😂. Whatever is going on with Dhedge, if it’s simply someone dumping their own property (own tokens) I hardly see how it’s a scam? But the fact this individual is just accusing anyone who doesn’t understand like me Acosta only delegates to Dhedge for like 10 days and missed the boat early but says I’m somehow a part of the issue well that’s just crazy…

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