RE: Azircon You're a Shame! Don't Vote Just Reblog If Hive Is Yours

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It looks like your new audience (you know the people you write for) has become 1 massive DV account and a whole bunch of little ones UPvoting because they want to see your content... is this what Hive has come too? And if it has... how are any of us ever going to promote it to new people on the social2.0’s ever again? Why would I bother sending people here where they are going to be attacked outright and justified for doing so? And then these same people want us to invest our capital and #BUIDL business’s here? I have got to have confidence before I do continue to do something like that... so again I ask... Is THIS what Hive has come to?

Or can we do better........



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Unfortunately (as I've been screaming for 4 years!), DPoS itself allows for 'actions without ethics'.
Down voting (written into the code) is dependent -explicitly- on stake power.
Integrity and ethics can be conveniently abrogated in the name of 'code'.

Add into the mix some very immature players, and here we are...The longer I see it play out - repeatedly from the steem days - I see no fix.

The powers that be (mistakenly) think that everything is fine and no change is required.
All metrics would point to the opposite of that, but hey.

'Skin in the game' and greed, (while having some positive attributes) can also blind people to what is blatantly obvious - to those that take an objective view of things.
When those views are aired, they are pilloried.
Hive has many cult like features.

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Will. I don't know what you are smoking but I like to have some of that.

Promote? What promote? We are organically growing right now. We don't need any promotion, especially from people like you. We are creating 10K new account/day! What kind of La La land you are living.

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Now earlier, I politely asked you, don't worry about things that doesn't concern you

and I also said, you are an adult and I can't tell you what to do. But just be ready for consequences.

Lastly, and finally. We don't need you help. We really don't.

If you want to enjoy your time at hive, do so. If you don't want to enjoy your time at hive, don't! Just stop bothering me, Wil. Otherwise, I WILL handle you and that will be the consequence.

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That’s a pretty unfriendly response sir. I would have you know... for months now I have been in the top 10 promoting Hive on Twitter (to name only 1 social2.0) for quite some time according to Lunar Crush. So I do my part to spread the word about Hive everywhere I go and I have been doing that ever since I started on Hive nearly 4 years ago. I am disappointed that you would resort to threatening me. Why? For asking questions? Seriously?

Now in response to the signUP numbers you graphed out. It is commonly known that those numbers were generated via Splinterlands signUPs... and they actually had to shut down their market place because those accounts were scamming the entire system to get their hands on free Hive via the gamification loop.

I’m not saying all of those accounts were created in this way... but I am saying that many of them have been brought into existence in this way and for that purpose.

We all know that most of the Splinterlands posts (although I love the game and what they are doing for Hive) are not accounts generating high value posts for Hive. Many of them are generating game outcomes and have little more function than that.

So this is my response and it comes from someone who is a responsible Hive owner and someone who cares about Hive and it’s social state...

I mean no harm to you and in fact would like to see you and your investment in Hive gain traction... if we can all be open and honest about what is happening and where this will take us... I think that it is clear to see that we will all benefit!

Thinking like an owner isn’t a passive thing... it’s about caring. And I care... that is why I continue to use my voice and speak... isn’t that the point in bringing this thing we all call Hive into existence?

To explore digital freedom and innovate further how social3.0 can impact the world for better?

I think so and so it is with this that I ask you to reconsider your stance... and please leave off with the threats. This does nothing to move your social capital and standing within the wider Hive community forward.

Everything WE ALL DO is public and here for all to see and we have a whole community of people who came to this place to think for themselves and to build their own dreams of a decentralized future.

This is our home... all of our home and so how we treat each other... it matters.

@wil.metcalfe

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This is not a threat.

I am respectfully asking you to stop bothering me. I can ask that to anyone online. I DO NOT want to interact with you. This is my choice.

OKAY?

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Certainly. And I respect the fact that your not interested in conversing with me further.

I think that you know my position and I think that I know yours...

I gave you my respect in attempting to convey my thoughts to you directly...

...and I’ll, with the hopes that something I said reaches you positively, leave off further discussions with you upon your request.

I wish you all the best and all the success that you deserve.

Sincerely,

@wil.metcalfe

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Hi to you,

I followed the comments.

Would you say that the experience here with actors who see downvotes as the means of choice teaches you that there are people who see rebuke or even punishment as totally legitimate means?

If you assume that you cannot overcome this conviction, that you cannot bring the other person who uses these means down to your level, what is the insight or consequence for you?

From my point of view, those who use DV-power would only take you seriously if you did not discuss with them but downvote them in turn. If you are weaker than them, they will not take you seriously. They will only take it seriously if they have to deal with a reaction similar to their own.

Either someone would have to find someone who downvotes with the same voting strength or a group of people who do this with stoic regularity and without much explanation. The rule of the game is quite clear: one only listens to the stronger and only bows to those who are clearly the stronger. Arguments are of little interest, it is really a matter of learning that one is superior or inferior (not my view).

Transferred to a street fight, such people who take a good beating would accept the thug and bow down. Where the thug is defeated, the rule of "the strongest wins" also applies here.

Your call for intellectual exchange ist not served. It is probably not even read. The expressions of respect in this direction could be seen as weakness, an encouragement. In my view, you have not only achieved nothing, but you have increased the strength of the person who sees you as an opponent. Either as an opponent who has already been defeated or one who is yet to be defeated. (No offense, I could be wrong with the analyses.)

Since all this can probably be perceived as a game at the same time, people laugh at each other when they are not angry with each other. The player mentality can be seen here on Hive and many online platforms, I think.

My question to you would be: If you were even in your Voting-power would you take up the fight? Are you "in" for those rules?

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Hi @erh.germany,

I do downvote if and when it seems correct to do so... however reluctant I am to do so.

Why? Because I believe that one should have class. I believe that one should treat the disease of unfriendliness with a healthy does of friendliness and if the environment does not support this... then it is a doomed social construct as it does not elevate human kind.

If we have no choice but to stoop to brutish levels... then this is not a place to fight over. It has a fatal flaw at it's core.

Technology should be used to bring humanity together and to a whole new plane... if it can not do this then it does not deserve to continue and more than likely will not continue.

If all that matters to those who "run this place" is that their power exceeds yours (intellect be hanged) then this isn't a place that will support growth.

It is unfortunate to see these sorts of minds elevated and given prominence on the platform. Blockchain is a once in a lifetime opportunity. It is a chance to innovate new and better ways to human TOGETHER... and it is a shame if this is not the focus of those making use of the blockchain.

People go to where they are treated best... and so does capital.

That is why I have decided (after nearly 4 long years in the Hive trenches) to power down ALL my accounts and move my business's, ideas, and family over to another place with more positive prospects.

I could attempt to fight fire with fire... and I know that many here think that this is the way to proceed... But I believe that out of that conflict will come nothing but scorched earth.

We need to spend our time, energy, and attention BUIDLing the future TOGETHER... and if we can not get our heads out of our a$$'s long enough to do that... Then this is doomed before it started.

I am an investor who votes his values... It's a decentralized future that made me move 100% over to the Hive Blockchain when we transitioned from the "blockchain that shall not be named"... But I can see clearly that we have not progressed towards a decentralized future in one iota. We have rather exchanged one centralized rotten apple for another.

So for me... I have chosen this day to exit with my feet.

And I suggest that the wise and prudent among us do the same... but that is not my decision to make.

All I can do is lead with action. That is what I have been doing since I came to this blockchain... and it is what I will continue to do.

I do appreciate your time and assessment.

I can tell this from your words that you are wise.

So thank you.

@wil.metcalfe

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Hello,

thank you for responding.

So you would like to have a reaction similar to your own, is, how I understand you. I prefer to agree with people, too. I realized though that "similar to ones own" also means to react with strong force - the other side of the spectrum.

Technology should be used to bring humanity together and to a whole new plane... if it can not do this then it does not deserve to continue and more than likely will not continue.

I would answer that technology is and is not used for the purposes people like to wish they would. For me, that's plain reality. No unity, in an all encompassing way, will show up in this regard. How could it? Is that a reality you would like to accept?

May I ask, why you do downvote, when you are not fully convinced of it? When you are reluctant in doing so, why doing it at all?

I once had an argument with a friend of mine about a different matter. She was having a break with her partner and fell in love with a youth friend of hers again. She wanted to share with me how good she felt to have found that man again after more than 20 years and she wanted me to be happily excited about it. I did not feel this excitement. Instead, I sensed that she was carrying a bad consciousness with her, the part which did not enjoy the "new love" but judged it. I told her (after she insisted): "Look, if you cannot feel yourself the joy of it, how can you expect me to feel it? If you cannot allow yourself to be of a light and bright mood, don't expect me to bring it to you. I would join you and be happy for you, if you were happy yourself. I cannot see this happiness. But you are an adult, you know what you are doing." I mirrored her in what I thought were her own virtues, not so much mine. For my part, she could have an affair or love more than one man, I wouldn't mind so much. ... I don't know if this anecdote transports what I wanted to say...

People go to where they are treated best... and so does capital.

Yes, that's what they do. I guess, leaving Hive from your present state of mind will change itself in the future to having had a valuable life experience. At least for me, disappointments can be seen in this way, after some time has passed.

the "blockchain that shall not be named".

HaHa, LOL :D

Your suggestion to change the location or move elsewhere: I am glad that you do not demand it. I am indifferent to it. I think, for me personally, I will make the same experiences everywhere else. I guess, I am also lazy to build up something new, for I got used to the environment, the features and such.
I think, some people got to stay, in order to be the "middle ground".

We need to spend our time, energy, and attention BUIDLing the future TOGETHER... and if we can not get our heads out of our a$$'s long enough to do that... Then this is doomed before it started.

... Hm... how about leaving aside the "need" and the "we"? How about to remain spontane towards what brings you joy instead of making an effort towards what you think is a duty (or having financial pressures)? Have you had the experience that a posting of yours received high attention (through either votes or/and comments) while you pressed the publish button without any expectations whatsoever? If yes, can you share the feeling how much fun that was?

If this whole place will sink into oblivion, then it shall sink. I am neither supporting its going down, nor am I eager to promote its going up. For I think, it will sort itself out anyways, like you mentioned. People go, where the most fun and inspiration is to be found. If it uses itself up, they leave. Just different in pace and time.

Don't misunderstand me. I don't want to convince you to stay or to leave. I share some questions and thoughts with you, because I have time and pleasure in doing so.

Greetings to you. :)

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Thats because your stance is weak and you know it. Your only escape is honesty. You nay speak lies to the world and have good peoples skills all the same. Example, nazis with great food and table manners. Your hurting hive and the math shows it. Your also hurting your future investment to have more. You do want more right? Im sure.

Your actions of greed are plastered throughout chain. There is no washing it off now. You need to seriously re evaluate how the money flows.

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We can choose to stay and join blurt. No dv there.

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