RE: Azircon You're a Shame! Don't Vote Just Reblog If Hive Is Yours
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Hi @azircon! š
I donāt know you from Adam or Eve... but I was wondering if we might have some clarification on this downvote as it is highly contentious... š
https://ecency.com/hive-13323/@regenerette/my-latest-investments-splinterlands-rising-star-leo-hot
Zeroing out original content isnāt a good look for new people on boarding the blockchain... and right now we could really use the collaborative efforts of everyone to scaleUP and market/brand Hive in the best possible light.
I look forward to hearing back from you,
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If your going to defend people @wil.metcalfe maybe you should defend those that deserve it. Instead of supporting shady folk on the chain. Find some people that are actually good content creators. We dont need these kind of people to be represented as bloggers on the chain in good light.
Some people just need to be expelled from the community.
Lol you are expecting too much.
I have seen the drama one angry person and one rude person can create together.. This isnāt really what this is about... what itās about? Iāll spell it out to in in short hand here since I have already spent enough time with this specific problem today.
This is about maintaining Hiveās integrity (yes) but doing it in a way that also preserves the marketable friendliness of this blockchain.
An example of why this is important?
Iāll use myself as an example...
I have been in business for well over 10 years. Having sold my business and invested half my Bitcoin in Hive over the course of 4 years... it wasnāt long before I realized that Hive needed all hands on deck. Before that I was busy building my fitness business on the blockchain but something strange happened... nothing! š (and it wasnāt for lack of trying... Iām a certified personal trainer with over 10 years of experience in both fitness and business!)
So I took my focus away from making Hive a destination and instead poured myself into promoting Hive along side @nathanmars on Twitter. We worked day and night to promote Hive and I even started shooting LIVE fitness video on YouTube as well! Whatever I could do to get the word out about Hive.
Thatās when I found out about all the unfriendly methods in which Hiveās integrity was being maintained...
I couldnāt believe my eyes and ears!
How could I continue to promote Hive when unfriendly fires were burning on my very door step?!
So back I came to see what I could do...
I threw myself into the gaps on Twitter... so why not also try to do something to encourage Hive towards friendly outcomes? Hive is my home after all... I have my entire family in here and many of my friends too!
I had to clean up the figurative glass that was everywhere?
How could I even think about building a business that would last 20 years in the context of this social environment?!
No we had to do better than all those social2.0ās that had come before...
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity... for us all!
And so I doubled back to see what I could do.
And good, bad, or ugly... thatās what Iām here to do.
Even if someone is wrong or has done wrong... how we handle these sorts of situations need to be dealt with the utmost care and careful thought.
Our brand, our communities, our future competitive edge... itās all at stake.
And so if you zoom out... thereās far far more going on here than meets the eye... I hope that you understand.
@wil.metcalfe
Woo!
P.S. I should probably mention... I support tons of really great people on this blockchain... I think that you might be jumping to conclusions with those implications... (which I donāt appreciate by the way...)
If your going to criticize me at least give me the decency of being polite and checking the facts about me and my social activities on this blockchain. Or maybe ask me a question... that would give me a chance to give you an answer and save you from jumping to the wrong conclusions about me...
By the way @solominer...
I believe that everyone deserves to be treated with decency and basic levels of respect especially the ones who are fighting tooth and nail all by themselves...
AND I also believe that it's not right for people to have to stand alone in the middle of a mob.
No matter if they are "right" or "wrong" everyone deserves that much.
One of my best friends, @janan.jarrah, is a defense attorney. She is a professional handler of bullies. That's her title... and I would say that I pickedUP a little of her fighting spirit and I'm proud what what she manages to do in far far more difficult situations than this one.
It's just really bad to see mob action on an account you know... right or wrong... if the right things are done in the wrong way... it always ends up wrong for ALL the owners here on the blockchain.
Some decency would say that everyone deserves to have someone represent them no matter what the situation.
If we can't do that... how can we be sure that we have actually arrived at the truth of the matter AND a correspondingly appropriate measure? To not make an allowance for this is to create a culture of lynch mobs with pitchforks and torches.
All through history we have many examples to draw upon as to why this is not the best way to serve real and true justice so why would we default and judge someone who is willing to take it upon themselves to step into the gaps and do this on this blockchain?
What if the next time it was your head on the chopping block?
Would you not want me or someone like me to at least step in and create the necessary back and forth to bring about the best possible course of action... for everyone who makes Hive their home?
We need to, above all, preserve the good Wil and marketability of Hive WHILE also evolving and implementing Hive's Integrity measures.
This is what it means to want a friendly Hive...
And THAT is the social environment that I want...
and that is why I believe it to be worth stepping into the gaps that appear.
@wil.metcalfe
Wilā¦ why donāt you relax and enjoy your hive journey. Why meddle with complicated things that doesnāt concern you. Especially things like ānew usersā :)
Donāt worry about these things okay? Cheers! :)
Hi @Azircon,
As we are all Hive owners it should be undeniable that every Hive owner have the best interests of all new accounts in mind.
We all have a stake in the outcomes found here on Hive and that directly translates into the outcomes outside of the Hive Blockchain too. Our success collectively depends on this.
So seeing something that just doesnāt feel right (to me anyways.) isnāt about medaling... itās about acknowledging the facts... we can not move Hive forward with a passive, complacent, or apathetic mindset.
We all need to take active roles. Itās all hands on deck if we are to survive the obscurity and make Hive into what it could be. That, in my opinion, is what it means to be an owner of Hive (and Iām sure that you know this well).
Speaking of which...
I have been a Hive owner for nearly 4 years and invested a great deal of my time and personal capital into this blockchain and itās communities.
As an owner I consider Hive my home and therefore it is my (and everyoneās) job to do our utmost to keep Hive a healthy, wholesome, and thriving social environment. A blockchain destination where we can all invite our friends, families, and famous.
This is something, I am certain, we all would like to be able to do... but it begins with an acknowledgment of the facts.
How we treat people be they new, old, experienced, inexperienced, etc. (and yeah... even when they are in the wrong or behave badly) does matter. How we treat our own does matter.
The whole world is watching... and they are deciding if they want to be a part of this blockchain or not...
Because the Hive Blockchain is a store of social capital our actions (be they positive or negative) do translate directly into the financial capital being asked for on the open markets.
Everything is connected... in fact, I would say that this is one of the significant things that we are innovating here on the Hive Blockchain.
We can communicate value to people with the click of a button or (as in this example) we can take it away.
Often there is no definite right or wrong in doing so... only relative outcomes... However, that is not always the case as it is also possible to implicitly (or explicitly) communicating far more.
So it is on this point that I would like to understand why you have decided to zero out peoples (not just this authors) posts?
Why have you taken it upon yourself to absolutely zero out a personal post where someone is giving an update on their life for their life an audience?
Would it not be better to adjust someoneās behaviour socially via the use of less turbulent social means (a simple explanation within the comments even) if the need seemed apparent?
These softer methods produce less social friction for us all and help to mitigate a whole lot unnecessary and adverse outcomes for Hiveās overall well-being.
But also, these less aggressive methods could be more conducive to creating an environment where everyone who puts effort in can build up their own audience of appreciators, build up this place making it a repository of people winning, thriving, and having fun together! THIS would make Hive an even easier blockchain destination to promote to those outside our direct influence... and we desperately need this signal in the market to move the price where we all want it to be!
We all coexist together here on Hive. It is a network that works because people want to create content and value it amongst their peers... with every person that comes and then leaves thatās one less person to actually turn the gears that make the blockchain work. And many hands (typing) make for light and easy work... for us all!
There are 2 other things that should be noted as well...
Certain actions tend to vibrate or cascaded through the system more than others. Zero outs are one of these sorts of social actions (made possible on this blockchain) and this is the sort of thing that spreads on and off the blockchain in quite predicable ways... all of which arenāt good for the blockchain as a whole.
The other thing to note...
For every new and inexperienced person that we have managed to bring to this blockchain... we have had to battle it out in the trenches on Twitter, YouTube, Fitbit, etc. (These are the current Social2.0ās that I promote Hive on and Iām quite regularly doing that because I really do believe in Hive.) we have had to have conversations with upwards of 100 people.
Thatās a conversion rate of about 1 in 100 and just to get a new person through the door. No small task to be sure...
We have people giving their time day and night to promote and build this place up... and their doing it consistently and for free!
Thatās another reason why how we onboard, cultivate, and work with new people matters so so much!
If we spoil our opportunity to do that and set up a āZero Out Cultureā on Hive... that is what we are going to be known for within the wider crypto community. This directly effects our brand.
I donāt know about you... but I really think we have a chance to do things differently here with and on Hive.
We are innovating new and better ways to human here on Hive everyday!
That definitely means we all need to take some time to rethink how we are going about things on the blockchain... donāt you?
This could be a once in a lifetime opportunity... to be better than all the social media platforms that have come before us.
Itās really up to us... individually and collectively.
Sincerely,
@wil.metcalfe
We are already doing things the right way. Just not every spammer is part of it. Alright? Again before you speak you must listen. At least that's what we teach to our kids.
You are an adult and I can't educate you. You got to research and spend time to find out who I am and what I do for hive. Good luck.
My last word on this subject ;)
Listening is a two way street is it not? If we are to be all treated with intellectual respect doesnāt that mean that I listen to you and you listen to me? After all... we are both grown men are we not?
I do believe there is the way that things are being done... but I sincerely think that there is value in taking the time to reconsider our approach and thinking outside the āblockā could yield the next innovation/solution as we head towards bringing Hive to the marketplace.
I believe how we scale our response to behaviour we donāt want on this blockchain is going to be a critical factor in the months and years ahead.
And I also believe that just because we can... doesnāt always mean that we should.
And if someone questions things they see in an effort to find a better solution to the problem... shouldnāt that be respected with an ear to the ground?
Itās feedback... and the bigger a Hive account gets... the more important this becomes... because people begin to behave differently when they know that someone has means and weight behind them.
I hope that you are responsive to my voice.
Regards,
@wil.metcalfe
So all of my posts this week were spam before the exit post I made mentioning you?
Shame on you for downvoting human history. The history of ones own life is also precious. A most precious thing. And you give not two shits.
I do know @azircon and while I don't expect you to take my word for it (as with all things, DYOR), I can tell you @wil.metcalfe that in my experience @azircon is a voice of reason, and tries to find the solution that is not only fair, but is best for the overall well-being of the blockchain. I've even seen him champion people who (IMHO) may not deserve any compassion. And as I explained in my other reply to you, when someone is blacklisted for repeatedly stealing content, that doesn't mean they get a pass if they suddenly post something original.
Personally, I think it's the perfect look for new people coming in - knowing if they steal from other content creators, they won't be able to monetize their blogs is a good thing to know right out of the starting gate.
I got all my posts for a whole week downvoted because I said "okay karen" to this psychic leech
You think that's contentious - have you seen my account?... nuked on every post for the last 6 months? ..A shit show.
It looks like your new audience (you know the people you write for) has become 1 massive DV account and a whole bunch of little ones UPvoting because they want to see your content... is this what Hive has come too? And if it has... how are any of us ever going to promote it to new people on the social2.0ās ever again? Why would I bother sending people here where they are going to be attacked outright and justified for doing so? And then these same people want us to invest our capital and #BUIDL businessās here? I have got to have confidence before I do continue to do something like that... so again I ask... Is THIS what Hive has come to?
Or can we do better........
Unfortunately (as I've been screaming for 4 years!), DPoS itself allows for 'actions without ethics'.
Down voting (written into the code) is dependent -explicitly- on stake power.
Integrity and ethics can be conveniently abrogated in the name of 'code'.
Add into the mix some very immature players, and here we are...The longer I see it play out - repeatedly from the steem days - I see no fix.
The powers that be (mistakenly) think that everything is fine and no change is required.
All metrics would point to the opposite of that, but hey.
'Skin in the game' and greed, (while having some positive attributes) can also blind people to what is blatantly obvious - to those that take an objective view of things.
When those views are aired, they are pilloried.
Hive has many cult like features.
Will. I don't know what you are smoking but I like to have some of that.
Promote? What promote? We are organically growing right now. We don't need any promotion, especially from people like you. We are creating 10K new account/day! What kind of La La land you are living.
Now earlier, I politely asked you, don't worry about things that doesn't concern you
and I also said, you are an adult and I can't tell you what to do. But just be ready for consequences.
Lastly, and finally. We don't need you help. We really don't.
If you want to enjoy your time at hive, do so. If you don't want to enjoy your time at hive, don't! Just stop bothering me, Wil. Otherwise, I WILL handle you and that will be the consequence.
Thatās a pretty unfriendly response sir. I would have you know... for months now I have been in the top 10 promoting Hive on Twitter (to name only 1 social2.0) for quite some time according to Lunar Crush. So I do my part to spread the word about Hive everywhere I go and I have been doing that ever since I started on Hive nearly 4 years ago. I am disappointed that you would resort to threatening me. Why? For asking questions? Seriously?
Now in response to the signUP numbers you graphed out. It is commonly known that those numbers were generated via Splinterlands signUPs... and they actually had to shut down their market place because those accounts were scamming the entire system to get their hands on free Hive via the gamification loop.
Iām not saying all of those accounts were created in this way... but I am saying that many of them have been brought into existence in this way and for that purpose.
We all know that most of the Splinterlands posts (although I love the game and what they are doing for Hive) are not accounts generating high value posts for Hive. Many of them are generating game outcomes and have little more function than that.
So this is my response and it comes from someone who is a responsible Hive owner and someone who cares about Hive and itās social state...
I mean no harm to you and in fact would like to see you and your investment in Hive gain traction... if we can all be open and honest about what is happening and where this will take us... I think that it is clear to see that we will all benefit!
Thinking like an owner isnāt a passive thing... itās about caring. And I care... that is why I continue to use my voice and speak... isnāt that the point in bringing this thing we all call Hive into existence?
To explore digital freedom and innovate further how social3.0 can impact the world for better?
I think so and so it is with this that I ask you to reconsider your stance... and please leave off with the threats. This does nothing to move your social capital and standing within the wider Hive community forward.
Everything WE ALL DO is public and here for all to see and we have a whole community of people who came to this place to think for themselves and to build their own dreams of a decentralized future.
This is our home... all of our home and so how we treat each other... it matters.
@wil.metcalfe
This is not a threat.
I am respectfully asking you to stop bothering me. I can ask that to anyone online. I DO NOT want to interact with you. This is my choice.
OKAY?
Certainly. And I respect the fact that your not interested in conversing with me further.
I think that you know my position and I think that I know yours...
I gave you my respect in attempting to convey my thoughts to you directly...
...and Iāll, with the hopes that something I said reaches you positively, leave off further discussions with you upon your request.
I wish you all the best and all the success that you deserve.
Sincerely,
@wil.metcalfe
Hi to you,
I followed the comments.
Would you say that the experience here with actors who see downvotes as the means of choice teaches you that there are people who see rebuke or even punishment as totally legitimate means?
If you assume that you cannot overcome this conviction, that you cannot bring the other person who uses these means down to your level, what is the insight or consequence for you?
From my point of view, those who use DV-power would only take you seriously if you did not discuss with them but downvote them in turn. If you are weaker than them, they will not take you seriously. They will only take it seriously if they have to deal with a reaction similar to their own.
Either someone would have to find someone who downvotes with the same voting strength or a group of people who do this with stoic regularity and without much explanation. The rule of the game is quite clear: one only listens to the stronger and only bows to those who are clearly the stronger. Arguments are of little interest, it is really a matter of learning that one is superior or inferior (not my view).
Transferred to a street fight, such people who take a good beating would accept the thug and bow down. Where the thug is defeated, the rule of "the strongest wins" also applies here.
Your call for intellectual exchange ist not served. It is probably not even read. The expressions of respect in this direction could be seen as weakness, an encouragement. In my view, you have not only achieved nothing, but you have increased the strength of the person who sees you as an opponent. Either as an opponent who has already been defeated or one who is yet to be defeated. (No offense, I could be wrong with the analyses.)
Since all this can probably be perceived as a game at the same time, people laugh at each other when they are not angry with each other. The player mentality can be seen here on Hive and many online platforms, I think.
My question to you would be: If you were even in your Voting-power would you take up the fight? Are you "in" for those rules?
Hi @erh.germany,
I do downvote if and when it seems correct to do so... however reluctant I am to do so.
Why? Because I believe that one should have class. I believe that one should treat the disease of unfriendliness with a healthy does of friendliness and if the environment does not support this... then it is a doomed social construct as it does not elevate human kind.
If we have no choice but to stoop to brutish levels... then this is not a place to fight over. It has a fatal flaw at it's core.
Technology should be used to bring humanity together and to a whole new plane... if it can not do this then it does not deserve to continue and more than likely will not continue.
If all that matters to those who "run this place" is that their power exceeds yours (intellect be hanged) then this isn't a place that will support growth.
It is unfortunate to see these sorts of minds elevated and given prominence on the platform. Blockchain is a once in a lifetime opportunity. It is a chance to innovate new and better ways to human TOGETHER... and it is a shame if this is not the focus of those making use of the blockchain.
People go to where they are treated best... and so does capital.
That is why I have decided (after nearly 4 long years in the Hive trenches) to power down ALL my accounts and move my business's, ideas, and family over to another place with more positive prospects.
I could attempt to fight fire with fire... and I know that many here think that this is the way to proceed... But I believe that out of that conflict will come nothing but scorched earth.
We need to spend our time, energy, and attention BUIDLing the future TOGETHER... and if we can not get our heads out of our a$$'s long enough to do that... Then this is doomed before it started.
I am an investor who votes his values... It's a decentralized future that made me move 100% over to the Hive Blockchain when we transitioned from the "blockchain that shall not be named"... But I can see clearly that we have not progressed towards a decentralized future in one iota. We have rather exchanged one centralized rotten apple for another.
So for me... I have chosen this day to exit with my feet.
And I suggest that the wise and prudent among us do the same... but that is not my decision to make.
All I can do is lead with action. That is what I have been doing since I came to this blockchain... and it is what I will continue to do.
I do appreciate your time and assessment.
I can tell this from your words that you are wise.
So thank you.
@wil.metcalfe
Hello,
thank you for responding.
So you would like to have a reaction similar to your own, is, how I understand you. I prefer to agree with people, too. I realized though that "similar to ones own" also means to react with strong force - the other side of the spectrum.
I would answer that technology is and is not used for the purposes people like to wish they would. For me, that's plain reality. No unity, in an all encompassing way, will show up in this regard. How could it? Is that a reality you would like to accept?
May I ask, why you do downvote, when you are not fully convinced of it? When you are reluctant in doing so, why doing it at all?
I once had an argument with a friend of mine about a different matter. She was having a break with her partner and fell in love with a youth friend of hers again. She wanted to share with me how good she felt to have found that man again after more than 20 years and she wanted me to be happily excited about it. I did not feel this excitement. Instead, I sensed that she was carrying a bad consciousness with her, the part which did not enjoy the "new love" but judged it. I told her (after she insisted): "Look, if you cannot feel yourself the joy of it, how can you expect me to feel it? If you cannot allow yourself to be of a light and bright mood, don't expect me to bring it to you. I would join you and be happy for you, if you were happy yourself. I cannot see this happiness. But you are an adult, you know what you are doing." I mirrored her in what I thought were her own virtues, not so much mine. For my part, she could have an affair or love more than one man, I wouldn't mind so much. ... I don't know if this anecdote transports what I wanted to say...
Yes, that's what they do. I guess, leaving Hive from your present state of mind will change itself in the future to having had a valuable life experience. At least for me, disappointments can be seen in this way, after some time has passed.
HaHa, LOL :D
Your suggestion to change the location or move elsewhere: I am glad that you do not demand it. I am indifferent to it. I think, for me personally, I will make the same experiences everywhere else. I guess, I am also lazy to build up something new, for I got used to the environment, the features and such.
I think, some people got to stay, in order to be the "middle ground".
... Hm... how about leaving aside the "need" and the "we"? How about to remain spontane towards what brings you joy instead of making an effort towards what you think is a duty (or having financial pressures)? Have you had the experience that a posting of yours received high attention (through either votes or/and comments) while you pressed the publish button without any expectations whatsoever? If yes, can you share the feeling how much fun that was?
If this whole place will sink into oblivion, then it shall sink. I am neither supporting its going down, nor am I eager to promote its going up. For I think, it will sort itself out anyways, like you mentioned. People go, where the most fun and inspiration is to be found. If it uses itself up, they leave. Just different in pace and time.
Don't misunderstand me. I don't want to convince you to stay or to leave. I share some questions and thoughts with you, because I have time and pleasure in doing so.
Greetings to you. :)
please consider reviewing your witness votes
Thats because your stance is weak and you know it. Your only escape is honesty. You nay speak lies to the world and have good peoples skills all the same. Example, nazis with great food and table manners. Your hurting hive and the math shows it. Your also hurting your future investment to have more. You do want more right? Im sure.
Your actions of greed are plastered throughout chain. There is no washing it off now. You need to seriously re evaluate how the money flows.
We can choose to stay and join blurt. No dv there.
Azircunt deserves a wooping to his wallet.