Steem experiment: Burn post #563
Burn post for January 26.
All rewards received by @burnpost are eventually burned. More info.
To provide additional support, vote for the @burnpost comment(s) below.
Later votes reduce Trending, which some community members prefer.
To view proof of burn, visit https://steemd.com/@burnpost
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Please, consider reading a counter argument:
https://steempeak.com/sbdpotato/@phgnomo/how-create-value-on-steem-or-how-sbdpotato-and-burnpost-is-hurting-steem-more-than-it-is-helping
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This should be easy peasy for @therealwolf / @smartsteem (20-25% of the total vote)
@therealwolf yeah that should be easy to do. I just checked steem-auto which allows the latest vote to be at 1440 min. (Which is 1 day! Hey, who knew?) Why don't you guys vote it at 8640 minutes = 6 days. Pretty much what the farmers used to do, and still do when I am not looking their way :)
@smooth What do you think about that? Fair?
@smartsteem uses its own autovote mechanism AFAIK, which is @therealwolf's project. That's specifically why I picked on him! :-)
And there is some human interaction and engagement on a bot post! Viola! This blockchain in alive!
;) I didn't implement comment voting for Smartsteem, which is why I was voting higher on the main-posts. I do understand that people get frustrated with seeing automated posts on the trending page, but this could be fixed with UI. (i.e reducing the weight regarding trending on them, or moving those over to a separate section and hiding them for main-trending)
It's perfectly fine with me. I've been voting late all along, most recently at about 5 days.
Excellent! I hope @therealwolf sees this.
I've reduced the weight on it drastically for now. The real solution would be to either hide those posts from the trending page or to have a separate tab for it.
I am discussing this with @smooth for a while. He says even with a single tag "experimental" it will show up on trending. He says the solution is to vote it as late as possible.
I still like to see no "steem" tag on burnpost and like to see the results.
I didn't say it was "the solution". It is one thing that does reduce trending, which can be used right now.
I mostly agree with @therealwolf that the better solution is for UIs should have better tools for deciding what shows up on the front page other than just votes/payouts. The latter should go on a leaderboard and dedicated curation tools.
Yeah thanks for the clarification. I think we are making progress :)
Thank you for being patient with me.
The problem with being forced to vote at a later time is that chunks of curation rewards are being forfeited. If it all would be randomized, I'd be okay with it, but if it's simply about people not wanting to see burn posts on trending; then this should have a direct UI solution.
While I was and still am a proponent of the SPS, much of it could have also been realized with the current voting mechanism we have today, just by having the right UI for it. So I think it's crucial that we do the right thing for people who want to burn rewards.
I agree. As we discussed this is meant to be a temporary “solution”. As a change to the UI won’t happen anytime soon.
Point is we don’t want contentless post to litter trending even if the intent of those posts are good for the economy. I don’t think it’s too much to ask. For Curation ROI there are many real posts to vote where you vote should go it.
Burnpost is a philanthropy, we shouldn’t be looking for ROI there.
That seems like exactly the sort of tradeoff that should be left to the voters. It is a clear judgment call whether good for the economy outweighs good for trending or vice versa.
No it isn't. If you burn your own coins, that is philanthropy. If you vote to burn (i.e. not distribute) funds from the reward pool, that is a vote on how to best use the reward pool.
Voters should be free to be voters (i.e. express an opinion by voting without incurring an added personal cost to vote one way or another). There is no other way to fairly measure the value of burning vs the benefits of content on trending (given current UI) other than letting voters take that balance into account.
Not being able to downvote without a personal cost was the situation prior to EIP and it had catastrophic consequences.
When I suggest that voters consider voting later, that doesn't mean voters should be required to do this, or harassed if they don't.
I agree. But if they willingly do it, I am sure you will be okay with that.
This is actually an important point. I am curious to gather data to show if voting for the burnpost is better, or voting for a conventional content is better. I think @abh12345 still has a subscription of steem sql, I will request him to investigate that point.
@smooth, it is currently left to the voter. All we are trying to accomplish is the find a happy medium which give us a sort of temporary solution within our existing boundary conditions
I do hold a subscription, yes. Happy to look into the data with a little more guidance :)
Of course, as I said, I have been voting late myself all along, so I certainly don't mind anyone else doing it!
Not sure what you mean by "better" or how this would be researched.
(voting to counter the malicious downvote not that I necessarily agree with the message or even read it) :P