NOT IN TOS! Well Not YET ANYWAYS!
NOT IN TOS
Using all caps in social media or in writing means two things:
- You are shouting
- You are making an emphasis on what you are saying
- Maybe you have a smart cat who can press the 'shift' key while you typed
I think, the 3rd point is probably not true for Bubke. He may or may not have a cat, but I think that level of smartness from a cat is rather unlikely and untimely. So we will leave it at that. Oh! Please note the popularity emojis there!
For those who do not know what I am talking about, Splinterlands community recently passed two key proposals #41 and #42 that makes the game more friendly to human players. They both passed with major success. It is widely understood that it changed the game for the better for many human players.
If you folks like examples; I have numerous comments for human players to share below. Several days back, after proposal #28 was passed to stop the use of bots in the Modern League, I asked the following question openly:
Tell me in a few sentences your experience playing modern now vs a few weeks back when there were bots
Below are some of the answers I got:
It gives me joy to actually see rewards, that feel worth playing and winning games while I do find the battles way harder than against the bots to some degree it is still a better experience for me. I feel this is a much truer reflection of the skill of the community.....damour
I'm starting to enjoy playing again. 🙂 matching with an opponent takes a little bit longer but I don't mind. It now feels like a more even playing field.....The Jedo
I have always enjoyed playing rank, but now it is more satisfying to win, increased chances of win streaks, more conversation regarding great strategies, the ability to actually get positions on leaderboards and to top it off promising rewards. What the founders should know, more cards are being purchased, rental market has improved, more dec is being burnt for energy yet the community is happy to do so.....MangoMayhem
it's like I'm back to the gameplay of year 2021 where the excitement and nervousness of every battle is there. Since there is no bot, even if I lose I still feel happy because a human beat me not a bot.....demon19
IMO the biggest change is being able to give everyone the benefit of the doubt when playing, before anytime I lost it was "awe stupid bot" even if it wasnt. Its the same thing that happens in FPS shooters, when you let cheaters run rampant anyone amazing gets called a cheater.....Hewitt
Modern is in a much better place now. I had given up on playing manually because of the state of the game, now I'm back to playing my battles and am having a whole lot of fun.....bTeim
I think I have mixed feelings. I think that the degree of competition has increased, which is a double edged sword, since people are disappointed that they can’t achieve the same results they might have only days earlier. Rewards are higher for wins, but wins are harder to come by. I do think there is room for optimism now, having a game that is played by people, Vs people encourages competition and community in a way that is harder to foster otherwise.
When people are mostly comparing their botting results or rewards chest RNG, they don’t experience joy in the process - just the outcome....oaaguy
I can go on and on, but then this will be a very long post and you will struggle to read it. I chose a handful of them, simply because they are not WHALES, they are common players from different backgrounds and stake. They all say, the implementation of human only league is a good thing.
Veteran hiver @tarazkp wrote multiple posts about his personal experience as a manual human player, after the changes were implemented:
https://peakd.com/hive-13323/@tarazkp/300percent-increase-in-battle-rewards
https://peakd.com/hive-13323/@tarazkp/t50-and-time-to-land
Bottomline: I have proven how this human only league made people excited again to do battle manually. Maybe tag someone you know and do a bit of friendly trash talk. With this backdrop the community passed the Battle Helper proposal, which is a landmark in SPL governance in my opinion. Trouble is, the SPL team is currently busy with Land 1.5 Launch, so they are strapped for people's free time within the team. It is obvious, therefore, that changing the wording of TOS is taking time.
We expected, as legitimate businesses XBOT will stop the service of Battle Helper in Modern league voluntarily; and they did. But later the owner of Sylar is having second thought and he has flip-flopped several times in the past.
And then that apparent discord poll above where 19 people participated at the time of screenshot!
@davemccoy summerized the problem nicely here:
This all comes down to 4 groups:
- the team making the TOS officially - which I believe @Weird Beard -Esports/Tournaments is working on and said it should be the focus after land is released
- bubke is keeping his bots on because there is not official TOS, but he has clearly stated that he will remove them once the new TOS is implemented
- XBOT took their BHs down for certain modes, but the other 2 didn't follow (bubke and now Legendary Tools). So he is going to turn it back on until the team implements the new TOS officially. But he has committed to following the TOS when its implemented.
- Legendary Tools has added BHs until such time as the other 2 stop. But he has committed to following the TOS when its implemented.
My understanding is the 3 main groups will be following the TOS as soon as they are "officially implemented". I also think WeirdBeard is considering pausing new Tournaments until such time as they can get the new TOS active and everyone can be on a level playing field.
I realize this looks like it is getting out of control, but I actually think we are very close to implementation and adherence from the groups. Its a situation where everyone is worried about the other guy and they feel they need to protect their players. So that's why I actually agree that pausing tourneys for a few weeks makes sense.
Anyways. I don't know what kind of legitimate business will go against a published TOS. But Sylar indeed think he can.
Here is a free advice from an old man. Please don't be foolish Sylar!
Thank you!
PS. Sylar flip-flops a lot! Now he again have his personal guardian angel sitting on his shoulder, and he says:
I say AMEN to that!
PPS: TEAM; please implement the TOS ASAP. Thank you!
My conversation with Sylar from earlier with some unhelpful bullshit from a nobody. He seems to think there are many, many devs out there and many more who can make more BH's. We are not going to eradicate them all but we can try and cut them down.
I can code, but can't create a BH. It's not that easy and the average man eating a Big Mac can't do it.
Some idiot will spout publicly about the next one, and then they can be pressured to shut that down. I would love to the the old game back again, in at least one format.
Why can't people see the big picture. BOT's ruin things for players. Keeps them in Wild, that's fine.
This is a load of bullcrap. Many many developers at hive! If that were true we will be at a different space now!
All they are trying to do is to poke a hole in the theory that most people like follow rule.
I agree with the unknown
I am against the banning of battle helpers exactly because only a few with a private service will be able to use those tools. I'd rather give every single player the choice to use or not use those tools than stop the majority of players from using them and allow a select few to dominate.
You being against means nothing as a community proposal has been passed
All private BHs will stop in modern. We have understanding between each parties.
I know it means nothing. Sadly the SPS stakers have voted wrong many times. I was just stating why I am against.
You can never be sure all private BHs will stop in modern. There is no way to know if someone is using one. How do you know they're gonna keep their promise? Or how do you know if someone else starts one?
TOS isn't quite enforcement is it? You can have as many laws as you like, but if the police don't throw you in jail if you break them then they don't really count. If you break a TOS and no one does anything, same thing I guess...
Most people like to follow rule. There is no cop stationed at every traffic light, yet I am still alive, so are you!
Surprise!!
Yeah, but if no one ever got in trouble for stopping at traffic lights then people wouldn't do it as much.
We will do that level of enforement too, as intended
So this TOS is for splinterlands? Are they a company? If so how does being a business work in a decentralized way?
I am glad about the bot removal though. It may make it easier to play again. Too many changes in the game over the last couple years due to bots made it harder.
It is a company, and therefore it is centralized.
Excellent curation @azircon
Is there some kind of statute of limitations on enforcement?
Those that break the terms of service are playing a more dangerous game than I would be willing to play, especially if heavily invested. I just don't get why people who "love Splinterlands" would break ToS? Other than greed of course.
No one with their right mind will go against a published TOS.
The reason they are trying to poke hole in this theory is we are hurting their earning. Their rewards. You taraz is taking it away with your skills :)
This battle is between you and bot owners :)
At some point, I guess they just throttle the APIs of battle data completely.
Matt is a Liberatarian, he won't do that.
It is not really different from hiding the opponent before battle, it is just on a longer timeframe.
Hiding the opponent was not there, I don't know if you remember. Back then, you know who you are playing against before you start. Trouble was, you can write a code that can look at your team submitted before you start the battle from the blockchain as it was not excrypted, and enter an ideal counter.
So it was changed.
Yep, it changed not long after I started. I find it interesting what some people consider cheating or not. It is like a wall-hack or an aimbot in a FPS game - pathetic.
So many players go against published TOS in games where there are literally 0 rewards from winning.
Exactly... Its pretty simple, follow the rules or else you deserve whatever penalty ensues.
@Tarazkp
BINGO
they are Greedy and Cheat in Life everywhere they can..............
Muy interesante gracias por compartir!!!!!
Splinterlands no more bot? well done! I have been waiting for a reason to come back because it is almost impossible to win any battles gonna try out tomorrow see if the changes made improvements. thanks for this post I wont know about this if I didnt see your post.
Yes, but make sure you play in Modern format.
modern format? whats that?
There's 2 formats now: Modern and Wild. Modern has the last 2 editions, and Wild has everything allowed. No bots in Modern and anything can play Wild.
Ah I see no bots in modern so the wild still has the bots then
Yes, that's exactly right.
Thank you for clarifying appreciate it
!PIZZA
Time to rally behind this! Let's go Team!
Thank you Mochi. Appreciate the support :)
We always have your back my good sir!
TeamPH supports you and all the real players playing! Wild is there for a reason so bots or BH can do all they want there but should leave tourneys/brawls/modern to the real players.
Appreciate the support.
They are rather shameless reward pool extractors and we must show the general public who they are
I do not trust Sylar at all, stick with your commitments is the premise of any good business model. Integrity is everything, What you say, you do! Splinterlands is just starting to get the player base back, selfishness will lead to that changing again, hopefully the team reacts quickly. Thank you as always @azircon for standing up for the little guys.
Appreciated Mango. Now a few people like VetteV and antoine YGGSPL etc are trying to negate a legitimate vote just because it it hurting their profits. I need to write about it.
I want a cat that holds the shift key for me when I need it hahaha.
Kidding aside i think Sylar is challenging and taunting the TOS thinking he could get away with and nobody can do anything about it.
He is dreaming :)
Only sometimes, poor kid, you have to excuse him.
Yeah it's not just bots scooping up the rewards...
Laughs that guy has a real cringe display Picture on discord 😂😂
I will continue to build and strengthen our real human Filipino community. I am looking forward to the TOS changes and so is the Philippines.
I could haven been one of the players mentioned in your list of people refinding joy in playing Splinterlands so probably I'm biased.
I think you've made your point in a decent way. Splinterlands team should prioritize it as much as possible.
I don't get it that XBOT is changing their vision with the change of the wind direction. As mentioned by others, integrity is key as a business owner! Which makes that I don't trust this Sylar!
Want to conclude to thank @azircon for your previous proposals as I started to play Splinterlands again and I'm having fun!
$PIZZA slices delivered:
@caelum1infernum(3/5) tipped @davemccoy
ToS changed and cheaters judged. Even without enforcement, this is the way forward. Thank you for compiling these human playing accounts!
I dislike that the public BH tools are back on, but that decision is above my paygrade and I never used them anyways. But reaching out to Syler and applying pressure to do the right thing is much appreciated. I hope they fall in line when ToS goes up regardless of what Bubke and his crew end up doing.
I played a while ago when bots were allowed and I found it boring, i dont even tried again. now it's certainly more exciting to fight against another player on the other side of the world and win, i mean thats the point. victories must be WELL deserved. and points must be earned the fair way.
Great post @azircon