Increase price of Spellbook compensate with Rebellion Packs

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Updated At: 2024-03-03 19:38 UTC

I've previously suggested to the team to do something like a $30 dollar starter pack with a spellbook + 5 in print packs. It gets a bit more complicated now that Rebellion is 50/50 split with the DAO and no discounts. The DAO does own vouchers and the team has some flexibility with what it charges for a spellbook though. I'd love to see a starter option with packs, however that looks. Every digital TCG I've played has a starter pack.

I disagree with that a lot.
The spellbook should be cheap, even 5$ cheap.

Fighting bots by increasing the price for spellbooks is the wrong way to go about it.

secondly, the entry to the game should be cheap. Clayborns idea with a starter pack option seems like a better way to go about it. I agree that new people should get 5ish packs to start off their journey but not by forcing them to pay more.

offer them a 5$ spellbook and afterwards 3 bespoken options for starterpacks at different prices.

I voted for this in hopes of getting more eyeballs on it, and thus more discussion and input.

My personal hope would be for it to be an option added, instead of a replacement. Having various options to purchase "packages" is a great marketing strategy. I'm sure a lot of people would like to buy the "Deluxe Starter Package", and they could even insert a special "exclusive card" available only to this package too. That would be cool imo.

Good idea Cryp71x, I like that you are focusing on making things better!!!

I like for this to go to the main proposal.

I don't have a strong opinion, but like to guage the community opinion. As I don't know which way the cumulative stake weighted vote will go.

I fully get your worries and I'm sharing them.

However I don't think right now, bots buying 10$ spellbooks to try and milk rewards is a viable strategy. Instead, Splinterlands will more likely be milking money from them giving mostly potions and soulbound reward cards in return unless a bigger investment is followed.

Speaking for myself in case I was a new player, 10$ just to get going probably would be the absolute max. A higher price that includes some packs would put me off for sure.

What I would do to fight bots is to bring back collection power in Wild so it's impossible to get rewards with little to no investment.

sorry but this is going in the wrong direction. actually games where you have to buy everything yourself to be able to play have free access. the 10 dollars for a spellbook are already a joke at the moment. in the past you could play and earn with starter cards. now you only get 3 dollars in credits and a wallet for the 10 dollars, which is free anyway. so you pay 10 dollars and can play just as much as before without a spellbook, find the mistake. maybe you should take a look at what other games are doing. since you can no longer earn money with starter cards, even the 10 dollars is actually a no-go. because they only trigger mistrust in the customer and the feeling of having been taken for a ride. because as I said, you pay 10 dollars and can play and earn just as much as without the spellbook. and after this feeling, the customer is then asked to pay again. this achieves exactly the opposite, the customer leaves because he thinks this is a scam

I think the option to buy (one time purchase) some sort of starter pack would be a great addition. Increasing the cost of the spellbook and throwing in some packs though... I'm not really feeling that one. The initial cost for entry needs to remain low.

If the Spellbook is too much for new players (after an increase) they can choose to join the newer Games while their Spell-books are still cheap. This way we create scarcity by making Splinterlands an exclusive club everyone wants to join but not everyone can affort to

I feel like this kind of mentality isn't conducive to onboarding new players and/or growing the community.

The only issue I have here is we don't have a large influx of new players yet. We have struggled to onboard new players for years and quite frankly put, I don't think making it even more expensive than what it already is will help that. The new people that come to this game will be here from bull market fomo hype, after all we had no reason to just expect new people to arrive, but we do now. We are competing with games that look great and fun this cycle. As price of SPS goes up players will be coming in to chase the earnings so we need to get the flywheel started by bringing in as many players as possible. Euphoria in splinterlands comes when SPS battle earning goes viral from a post on Tic Tok, X, FB, etc... I read something where you mentioned price going up as token goes up and I think that's a great idea. In my opinion that would need when the flywheel is in gear.

What is the price it's to be increased to? Also, is it optional for buy in prices? Say Normal, 10 Packs, 100 Packs etc. What happens when packs are sold out?

I am curious to see this go to an actual proposal. I think with some discussion behind this we could really make something good out of this. I don't necessarily think forcing a price increase on spellbooks is the right way to go but I appreciate this discussion. @bronko I think hit the nail on the head in his comment and I agree that a real free to play experience is something that can really get more eyes on the ecosystem and then offering different options as a starter would be beneficial and entice new players to want to earn and buy more.

The only other thing that is lacking to me is many proposals have been shot down already because of the lack of information or direction. Just saying I leave it to the team and Clay I don't think is enough. A little more price direction I think would be helpful.

HEllO! Cryp71x, great suggestion on increasing the spellbook price. However, as a user/gamer/App enthusiast I would politely disagree on this proposal, honestly it is already difficult get'n New Players inside the eco system let alone play the game.

What about the option to add packs to the Spellbook at $4 each and the DAO burns the required Vouchers for each pack bought? There could be a cap on how many packs you can buy in this fashion.

I think its an excellent idea. Id like to see it as an option when you start the game. Spellbook and a discount for chaos legion packs. I hope this goes to a full proposal

The idea has merit but I wonder how much new players will be willing to pay? Surely, one pack which will cost around $15 (spellbook + pack) is not enough to start playing the game and earn SPS. To build a deck, players will rather buy cards from the market or rent.

Depends how it's implemented the Dao could propose a deal discount for bulk purchases of new packs for new accounts but we would have a permanent discount if people set up new accounts to take advantage of the promo.
Neutral for now needs more concept

I like the idea of this as an option for new players, but not that you want to completely eliminate the $10 spellbook. There are players I know here in game who live in countries where $7/day is the minimum wage. I believe the success of this game comes form making it MORE accessible to as many people as possible, not LESS, and increasing costs for basics like this makes it less accessible for more people.
I really like the idea of the OPTION of buying a few packs with the spellbook but not at the cost of eliminating the $10 spellbook.

How about once a week or month reduce spellbook to 0, and offer free spellbook with rebellion pack combos ranging between $18 to $90? or your offer but only weekly or monthly?

If your proposal is accepted as it is, could you stipulate future pending on new Splinterlands account sales > current monthly spellbook sales after 1 to 3 month trial?

Proofing this change does not harm but improve current spellbook weekly/monthly revenue should be top priority before this change becomes permanent.

This comment was made during pre-proposal phase. Now this is a proposal, and there has not been any changes, I cannot vote yes until you address all suggested changes?

The game already has a huge paywall, increasingly less rewards (not even counting that most are soulbound now), and less and less appealing to a new player. I do understand the reasoning behind this proposal, but increasing ANY costs, even at the expense of getting some cards, is a no for me.

Greetings, it is an interesting proposal, but, in my opinion it should be more refined, what I mean is that, it should be a little more consistent, even so, I understand that it is to draw attention and seek a change in what is the spell book, although I have some observations.

1. I am not against increasing the price of the spell book, it can be a good strategy to avoid more abuse from the aggregators.

1. However, if the price is increased, it should come with more benefits, for example, a spellbook at 15$ with the possibility of getting 5 to 10 Rebellion packs, although the idea is that newcomers can play with more complete decks.

1. Another benefit would be to have several "Spellbook" offers, what I mean is that there are certain levels, for example:

   • Spellbook at 15$: That comes with a SET of 3 level 3 Soulbound Summoners.

   • Spellbook at 25$: That comes with a SET of level 6 Soulbound Summoners.

   • Spellbook at 40$: To come with a SET of maximum level Soulbound summoners.

Of course this idea can be modified much better, something that is more balanced, but, the idea is that new users have possibilities to play with good decks (depending on how much they pay). Now if you are wondering what would increase the BOTS farm or more creations of this, the higher the price of the book, the higher the benefits in decks and this would speak of quality players committed to really play the game.

I'll be honest, this is not the way to increase value, removing the spellbooks completely would be way better. The spellbook served a purpose when the game first came out, it no longer does because the starter cards are worthless you cant even get into the bronze league with just starter cards, and to be competitive takes a significant investment. Maybe buy up all the cheap cards on market and make starter packs of 10 cards including a summoner, of the same element, of at least lvl 3, charge 30-50 for it. Increase the minimum price to rent cards that would make your bot problem a benefit to the community since they would still have to stimulate the market to do anything, and raise value of the market as a whole. Also maybe give a promo card to everyone who already has a spell book. As for the starter packs burn off half the value in dec which would further increase the value of everything, then focus on gameplay, it goes way too slow which makes it annoying to play. Just my two cents, I voted for it anyways, probably wont once it goes through unless you can do a much better job at convincing me how it will benefit the community to raise the price of something that's useless, and will only further keep new players from trying the game, not that it matters.

Hey, let's charge more! And then watch those people who AREN'T PLAYING OR BUYING ALREADY...move to a game they don't have top spend a penny on.

I like your thinking @cryp71x, but this is a little vague on amounts, what value amount were you looking at? $15 with 1 rebellion pack, $20 with 2 rebellion packs??

Let's face it, this is not a free to play type game. It is a trading card game, with a twist, its a digital nft trading card game. Thats the way I see it..... think back.... wind the clock back. I used to collect basketball cards! why? because walking into the trading card store and getting a shiny pack and opening it was an experience I loved... and I paid money for it... why did I pay money for it? Because that was the only way to get the cards and that experience. There has to be a focus on buying packs and the cards have to be desirable, enjoyable and something you want to collect and keep. Now add in that you can play with these cards and earn crypto is frickin awesome. Get people opening packs, give them the experience. But are there that many ppl buying spellbooks and not buying packs? I dont know the data. I pay more per month for spotify than it costs to buy a spellbook and a pack. people with money ... pay. cool shit costs money.

There isnt much info about this proposal.. Like what are we incresing the price of the spellbook to? And what does compensate with rebellion packs mean? Will they get two packs with their spellbook? 3, 4, 10?

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