Taking too much Credit

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I have made it no secret that I have been extending my investment into Splinterlands of the last few months and while I am not a large volume player by far, I suspect that from a total investment in position, I am relatively up there, since everything I have bought has been in the last six months.

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From a playing cards perspective, I have been trying to get a few gold versions maxed of the cards I regularly play, especially the neutrals, as they will likely see the most game-time. A couple days ago I picked up two more (combined them this morning after renting them for EOS), with one being a life card (A splinter I am fleshing out) and the other being a neutral - with both being low Mana - where I tend to play a fair bit. These are both from the current Reward Card set and there is plenty of emission left, but they have also been creeping up in price.



But, buying individual cards isn't really the core of my strategy, it is buying packs and my plan is to increase my holdings substantially with the Chaos Legion set and perhaps hopefully, max out one deck. So far in the presale I secured about 1300 packs and had to buy vouchers for nearly all of them, which is about a 20K investment, which is insane. However, that gets me a handful of Promo Cards including one Gold Foil guaranteed, so while it won't cover the purchase initially, it is something. But, this is only about a quarter of the estimated packs needed to max a deck, meaning I need to buy around 4000 more packs, which is around 16K more dollars.

This isn't a small amount of money.

There is no way I can get enough vouchers from the SPS I hold in the next 2 million emitted, so I have to get them in the open sale, but there is a huge problem. I will be able to pick up a few hundred vouchers that I planned to use for the bonus packs in the open sale, and I was collecting SPS for the purchase as there was a discount available, but even if there wasn't it is a tradeable token.

So, the problem is that the packs are potentially going to sell out very fast, but there was an announcement from @splinterlands:

Starting with the second pack sale phase on December 8th and going forward, Chaos Legion packs will only be able to be purchased using Credits in the Splinterlands shop. Players who would like to use DEC or SPS tokens to purchase packs may still do so by simply using those tokens to purchase Credits in their accounts, but it will no longer be possible to purchase packs directly with DEC or SPS as it was during the presale.

Right. See the issue?

So, because of the potential to of a lightning sale phase, everything has to be ready for the purchase. This means holding all of the credits needed to cover a bulk purchase. But, there is no guarantee that there will be any packs to buy, let alone enough for larger purchases. However, "Credits" are an in-game asset only, which means that anyone who is ready to buy and misses out on making their purchase, is stuck with potential mountain of credits that are non transferrable and can only be used in-game, unlike DEC and SPS.

I made a mistake. Because I am an idiot.

Don't be Taraz.

I now have 16,000 dollars worth of credits that are potentially useless if I am unable to buy the packs I plan with it. Well, they are not useless, I can buy single cards, but that means likely paying several times more each for them and it destroys my strategy of building simultaneous rental value.

But, I might not be the only one who has done or will do this and that means there will be potentially quite a few people who have far too much credit, and far too little of what they wanted to buy with it. Is there a mechanism in place to mitigate this? With credits being a resource sent out from Splinterlands, essentially all of this is "cash-on-hand" (I don't know how they hold it all) for the Splinterlands team. Will there be refunds on unused credits bought since the announcement @aggroed?

I don't expect so - but that is going to leave at least me with quite a bitter taste in my mouth (and a ton of Credits), which is why I am writing this now so that others don't do the same - or at least think about it before making a similar move. However, because this is a credits only buy, there is far less reason (in my opinion) to hold SPS than there was earlier.

I actually sold a lot of the SPS I have in order to get the credits, because even if I had staked it all (I still have some stake), I wouldn't come close to being able to get enough vouchers to cover my purchase. In order to do that, I would likely have to buy another couple hundred thousand SPS, which is just out of the question. So, the best I would have hoped for in way of vouchers would have been to cover some of the bonus packs of large purchases. But, this would still require a mass of credits for the purchase anyway.

Now, this might be no issue at all and I will be able to get the packs I want in the open sale without a drama, but now I have this nagging feeling that I will both miss out, and be stuck with the credits. Which sucks a bit! At the end of the day, I will work something out either way, but I think that people should consider what happens if they are stuck with the credits, as it might be worth it to do the conversion on the fly - though this in itself might be a chokepoint to stop getting packs, as everyone is converting at the same time.

Will 12 million packs go in the first day?

I don't know, but I don't want to hold Credits.

When is the next pack release coming?

Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]

Edit:
Thanks for seeing this @blewitt and thanks @aggroed for clearing this up.

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I was getting a little worried as I discovered I was 5th largest Credits hodler! :D
Btw, I bought them all last night after the ANN.

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Yeek, that could be horrifying. I sincerely hope for you that it doesn't sell out right away!

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Let's see - otherwise I will end up buying all the random useless crap off the markets no one wants! :D

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You will be the man with the mountainous collection of tat, lol!

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It is good to be known for something I guess!

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It's just another title to add to the collection. Like old style rulers :OD

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I wonder if this title would collect SPS :D

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Only if it was all part of some fiendish plot... :OD

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It will definitely be a good choice for you if you get the pack.

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I hear you man, I’m torn between putting funds into credits that I want and waiting to see what the hell goes on. Will things flash sale and get stuck with stuff I don’t want? Who knows!

I thought that you had to have vouchers to grab packs in the December 8th sale? Meaning it shouldn’t sell out in a couple days since it’s going to take folks a bit to gather back up their vouchers.

Thankfully since the other voucher business and now, I’ve staked 95% of my SPS so I’m hoping I get more vouchers than I did last time lol would be good to get 2 or more a day instead of one and change. I also probably have old information but weren’t the vouchers going to be doubled? Damn I’ll have to go back and read!

In any case, let’s see if the Splinterlands server crashes once things open up hahah. I hope they don’t that’s for sure but it’s going to be a lot of volume!

Edit - I see your dilemma now, not having enough vouchers for the credits you own.

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I thought that you had to have vouchers to grab packs in the December 8th sale? Meaning it shouldn’t sell out in a couple days since it’s going to take folks a bit to gather back up their vouchers.

This is for the open sale. I can't get nearly enough in the voucher sale, even with double emissions and triple the SPS. I have to aim for the open sale to get what I am after.

I hope the servers don't crash or worse, if they are only open to some while others are locked out!

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I missed your edit :)

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The downfall of trying to skim read, you sometimes miss the crux of the issue lol my bad 🤣

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Well, like some other people here, you could just comment without understanding at all :D

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You have to be faster my friend! And if it possible find someone to help you to buy them!

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How can someone help me?

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I don't know actually, I'm not into splinterland, so I don't know how this can be done, but if you have friends that can buy the cards for you (like a team) ... Maybe!

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Ah, so you actually don't understand what is going on :)

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As far as I know is that you want to buy a pack (of cards) that will be sold out real quick once they're on sale, which means there are other people willing to buy the cards...!

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You scared me allot, is it true the sale will end up in matter of seconds 😬😬😬

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I don't think so... but who knows!

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Did you check out the XCHAOS Token that a couple of the LEO faithful are running. You just hold the token and then you get the packs. They already have a ton of vouchers coming in, so they are taking that piece out of the equation for you. Just by holding the token you are guaranteed the packs from them. I picked up about 100 of the token. I am not saying it is cheaper than buying vouchers, but it might be another option for you.

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Yeah, I have heard. 6 dollars a token at the moment, going to be very expensive in bulk. Plus, I already have the credits...

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Good point.

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Interesting, I haven't seen this one yet but I guess you pay a premium to not have to worry about getting a pack lol

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Yeah. Not in love with that possible scenario and IF it does sell out fast, lots of folks will be in the same boat. Hoping the general sale doesn’t end up flying out in record time. I can see both scenarios being an absolute possibility.

I just keep stacking my sps. I’m here long term…especially with lands on the way. Any cool shit I want to participate in will require staking sps. I want to purchase as little vouchers as needed but instead rely on my own free airdrop of em. So I loaded up a bit a few months back. I’ll be adding a bit more this week as well. Hoping to get to 2000 vouchers for this second phase. 🤞

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From Aggy just moments ago. I think IF that shit sandwich of a scenario happens…they will refund which is awesome to hear and one of the gazillion reasons I’m super high on SL.

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That is great to hear! Thanks mate!

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I just found out I am the 5th largest holder of credits!! :D

2000 vouchers is a lot! I don't have anywhere near that. But, I will start adding more again soon.

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I just scraped by with the 1000 for the pre sale but I think I’m going to fall short for my goal of round 2 which means buying some more. Depends on how close I get and how much vouchers are fetching at the end of round 2 drop. But I’ll probably be buying a bit to get to that 2000 pack purchase as I want that 20% bonus!

See? You made the credits richlist. Look at you ya big showoff…lol

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yeah, the bonus would be good. I would be hoping to get some extra packs in the open sale, but it looks like i am going to have to buy all off the rack, no discount.

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For the open sale, gave you thought about one of the pools? Especially if planning on opening g the packs. I’m going to be participating in one as well for the general sale. Do you want me to send you info on it?

Edit…but that doesn’t help with the credits you have. Duh. Excuse me. I’m dumb. Lol

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discord me. I have been thinking about many things... mostly what to spend 16K of credits on ;D

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Ok. Will reach out later today good sir.

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I missed the announcement that it would be credits only to purchase in the next phase! I sure hope it doesn't sell out before I can get any more. I've been so used to casually buying packs as and when it took me by surprise when the untamed and dice suddenly sold out in just hours.

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yeah, it was late last night for me - hence the "tired" decision to buy :)

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I too am one of the biggest credit holders. What is he going to refund the credits in..., not SHIBA I hope?

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It will be paid in rusty robots.

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Rusty Androids are still unplayable, though much more valuable now.

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I think it'll be a refund in Frost Lions!

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A card I don't have and decent at high levels in the correct ruleset.

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Yeah I guess every card has it's strength lol I do love my ant miners! This one seems like the Dice version of that.

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Oh, yes! You get more for your money!

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your golden collection is getting impressive.

Will 12 million packs go in the first day?

Don't scare me like that. Somehow I missed announcement that I will have to buy credits to buy chaos legion. Not happy about that.

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Seems that if you buy and get stuck with them, there will be the chance for a refund.

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You should be OK. Yaba responded like this when someone posted the same concern on the announcement post.

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See the comments here: https://peakd.com/hive-13323/@splinterlands/chaos-legion-release-and-second-pack-sale

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I hope they can differentiate the purchase. For blockchain immutability, I made 2 main purchases last night for the total amount of about 16k.

I will likely add more if I want to buy cards :)

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5th largest credit hodler. It's good. You should not be worried and keep on moving.

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Will 12 million packs go in the first day?

I'm afraid so( But I still hope that I'll have time to buy enough for me.

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Will be interesting. Hope I get some :)

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Have you find a solution yet? I have read that there are gamers like in your situation.

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There will be refunds available for people in my situation.

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Wow! You dodged a bullet. You had me sweating when I was first reading it. Glad it all worked out.

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Yep. Hopefully it is okay. :)

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