RE: SPS Governance Proposal: Update Terms Of Service To Prohibit Use Of Battle Helpers in Modern Ranked, Tourneys, and Brawls
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If the rule is set and the ToS updated, then that means public battle helpers will most likely stop their service, even if nothing is enforced. Which means that private ones will dominate. Please dave, think about this: if private ones have a monopoly (aka. a few smart ones dominating the plebs), do you really think that this outweighs the benefits of everyone being able to use them? I'm not saying that BH are not a problem, they are - but disallowing them will only hide the symptom. :/
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Hey @therealwolf, I agree the public services will stop (and that's good), and its also possible the private ones will have a monopoly, but there are other things you are not considering.
For instance, who are the "private ones"? Do they play brawls? Do they play tournaments? Are they in guilds? How much of the pool will they take in Modern ranked?
We don't know any of those questions. How can we because it hasn't been against the terms of service?
I ask you to think about this as well Wolf. I realize you and others are concerned about the "private bad actors", but how will we ever know if we don't make it against the terms of service?
Put another way, you think its a huge problem and all the private bad actors will take the rewards from the well meaning players. I look at it like a) we know most of the big players and card holders b) if its against the terms of service we will clearly see which players "stick out" and break the rules and c) we can make a decision AFTER WE KNOW TO DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THE PROBLEM.
And to answer this question:
Absolutely 100%. And here's the reason. As you said BH are a problem, in fact if we don't do anything NOW they will become a HUGE problem very very fast. They will fundamentally alter the game permanently as the arms race develops.
If I'm right, the game will be hurt at a time its weak, and it could be a negative blow that causes very big damage. You said yourself Battle Helpers are a problem, lets not make it bigger.
If I'm wrong, and for some reason we are overrun with bad actors running private battle helpers and taking a massive chunk of the rewards, then we can fix that easily. We simply have another vote, I will co-sponsor it with you. I don't want to see bad actors running private battle helpers taking a large chunk of the reward pools either.
The point is I do agree that the benefit of this outweighs the risks by far, not even close. And if I'm wrong, I think the damage mitigation is far simpler by following my "lets try and see first" strategy.
I think you should consider the risks involved. And look at the remedies.
I believe you (and others) are sincere in your thinking and are truly worried. But IMO you are NOT seeing the damage that is done and how it affects attraction and retention to the game. I also feel you are NOT thinking that we could pass a vote to correct any negative consequences. We would for sure.
I ask you Wolf as a prominent developer and person who cares about the long term growth of the game to understand that we (the people for this proposal) are also on your side of wanting to see the game to grow. We are not even saying that there can't be Battle Helpers in different modes. We are not saying that we won't vote to allow battle helpers if "private bad actors" cause massive damage.
I ask you to consider voting for it because it is the right process to follow. Defining what the community considers the proper rules will go a long way to ending all these destructive debates.
Once we define the rules, then we can all see what the consequences are and adjust. I think the fear that we as a community won't adjust quickly to any bad actors is not right. We will. And I'm pretty sure that me and you and everyone we know will be on the same side.
ps. I know we have crossed swords in the past, but I want you to know that I appreciate your professional way of discussing this. While I really wish you would take my thoughts and understand them, and of course change your mind, I also respect your right to vote how you want and based on your own beliefs. I do think we both care about the game, we just disagree on the right path forward on these issues. So again thank you for being respectful and for voicing your thoughts and concerns.
pps. I also invite you to discuss further either publicly here or privately via Discord DM anytime. I would be happy to discuss with you anytime.