SPS Governance Proposal - Hire Clayboyn as DAO Community and Project Manager
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This proposal is to hire @clayboyn as a Community and Project Manager for the SPS DAO for the period of one year at the rate of $60,000 USD, to be paid in monthly installments of $5,000 in USDT tokens. Members of the DAO would be free to submit a proposal to terminate this position for any reason. @clayboyn will maintain the right to terminate the position at the end of any monthly pay period for any reason as well.
It is extremely important that we increase and maintain the separation between the DAO and the Splinterlands company going forward, which is why I believe it will be very beneficial for the DAO to directly hire someone to act as its representative in dealing with Splinterlands, as well as other outside organizations, such as exchanges, in order to ensure that the DAO's interests are being seen to.
To date, the Splinterlands company has been providing a number of services on the DAO's behalf, for free, but given the company's need to aggresively manage expenses and the DAO having significant resources available, it is time for the DAO to begin to handle things like tournament creation, working with outside third-parties, and overseeing the implementation of passed proposals on its own.
Responsibilities
This role will primarily see to the following list of responsibilities, however I expect the responsibilities to naturally grow and change over time as the needs of the project change, and it is important that the person taking on this role is able to grow and adapt with the ecosystem, which I feel that Clayboyn will be able to handle quite well.
- Oversee and manage the implementation of any approved governance proposals, including interfacing with the Splinterlands team and/or any other external organizations to ensure that proposals are implemented correctly and in a timely manner, as well as keeping the community apprised of the status
- Work directly with the Splinterlands team to provide feedback on player sentiment and desires ensuring representation from the community
- Work with the Splinterlands team and community to vet and establish strategic partnerships in the Web3 space for the SPS DAO
- Act as a liason for the DAO in any Market Maker or Exchange listing negotiations
- Create and maintain DAO-sponsored Splinterlands tournaments and work with the community to gather feedback on tournament schedules and parameters
- Work with community members to offer guidance on new SPS proposal ideas to ensure that they are clear, complete, and can be realistically implemented should they be approved
- Promote and grow awareness for the SPS token on social media
- Work with the Splinterlands team and the community to help manage and moderate the Splinterlands discord server
Qualifications
I believe that Clayboyn is quite qualified for this role and after having had the pleasure of working with him over the past few years I believe he would do an excellent job and provide significant value to the DAO if given the opportunity.
- He has over 2 years of experience working directly with the Splinterlands team to manage and grow social media accounts, helping to moderate the Discord server and helping with establishing and handling strategic partnerships.
- He’s been a major part of Exchange and Market Making discussions related to the SPS DAO and has worked closely with @blockchainff to vet any potential partnerships to ensure they negotiate the best terms possible for the DAO.
- He has a fundamental understanding of the Splinterlands ecosystem, the underlying tech, including the HIVE blockchain, and a strong grasp on community sentiment and has a willingness to have honest and transparent discussions to work towards a brighter future for the SPS DAO and Splinterlands.
- He has over 10 years of experience in crypto working with multiple projects to build communities and has even hosted tournaments for Splinterlands as a volunteer in the early days.
- He’s extremely passionate about both the SPS DAO and Splinterlands and will work tirelessly to help both succeed.
Final Thoughts
I expect that many members of the community might question the need for the DAO to hire someone to work for it directly, and if that would be worth the cost. I believe that as the Splinterlands team steps back from the role of managing the DAO, the need will quickly become more apparent.
From a cost perspective, the $60k being offered as an annual salary for this role comes to only about 4% of the non-SL funds that the DAO currently has available (this mean funds that are not held in Splinterlands tokens such as DEC, SPS, or packs). This is quite small and I believe it would be well worth it to have someone directly working for the SPS token holders full time.
Additionally, this is in no means a permanent arrangement. As mentioned at the start of the proposal, the term of this contract is one year, at which point a new proposal would need to be passed for it to continue. On top of that, the DAO can vote to end the contract early at any time and for any reason. Ultimately, I believe that this is a relatively small cost for a large potential opportunity, without requiring any long-term commitment, and I believe the community is unlikely to find anyone more qualified than @clayboyn for such a reasonable rate.
UPDATE
After receiving feedback from the community, I feel it will be beneficial to add one additional item to this proposal:
Assuming this proposal passes, any future proposals to end this contract will only need a 50%+ majority vote to pass rather than the typical 66.6%. This will help reduce the risk to the DAO of accepting this proposal and ensure that a 33+% minority cannot keep the contract in place if the majority of staked SPS token holders wants to end it.
Thank you for participating in SPS DAO Governance @yabapmatt.sps!
You can place or monitor SPS Stake Weighted votes for and against this proposal at the link below:
Link to this Pre-Proposal
Updated At: 2023-10-26 03:36 UTC
I feel like $60,000 USD a year is a very reasonable asking price, seeing how Clay will probably work 60+ hours a week, not even talking about his engagement in Discord.
I actually think quite the opposite. He resides in Thailand where . 60k/yr could pay for at least 2 prob 3-4 full stack developers. 60k is an incredibly high salary even for someone based in the US. The median US household income, ie the income of all people in a home combined is 74k. For perspective the average salary in Thailand is somewhere around 13k USD.
Agreed. It's a huge salary. He might be living in Phuket where it won't go quite as far, but most other parts of Thailand, you can eat well for $1.5 and get an absolutely gorgeous apartment for under $500 a month
where do you get 60+ hours a week? its literally probably 3 hours a day if that worth of work load.
I think thats a heck of a deal for the Dao and considering the mess he deals with in discord he probably deserves hazard pay lol
I think Clay is a good choice for this role. I have found him to be reasonable and balanced on most issues, and I trust him. I think he has been and will continue to be an asset to the community (whether in this role or not).
While I agree he is perfect for this role, I worry about the tax implications this will eventually bring up. Is the DAO going to issue 1099s now? How does that get done?
Also where is Clayboyn based out of? Is 60k a reasonable salary for that region? What sorts of measurable performance will we have to justify the salary?
We are playing with fire here and the IRS will want its cut.
I do think the SPS DAO would have to 1099 him, I think that's pretty standard. As far as the cost and the measurable performance, those are both valid issues. In fact I think most that are voting against are for these 2 reasons, as most people like and trust Clay himself.
Its come to light that Clay is based out of Thailand so US tax law isn't relevant but that definitely calls to question the salary.
$60000 a year in Thailand? lol he's loving this opportunity haha
I remain humbled that you support this idea Matt. I would love to continue to be of service to this community full time if they find it valuable for me to do so. Thanks for the support!
You have been great so far and I am voting to hire you for the job. It seems most players agree!
Any news about a modified version of this proposal with Weirdbeard and you both included in the deal? I would be more incline to vote yes knowing we got a team of 2 people getting in place to cover a larger set of skills.
I'm open to working with WB in whatever capacity the DAO desires. It would need to be a new proposal though. This one was already 5 days old. There's also the question of what happens if both of our names are on a single proposal and he leaves part way through as he'd be looking for a new fulltime role.
My suggestion, if we're going to try that, would be to have 2 part time proposals (1 for each of us). That said the DAO may end up with only 1 part time or neither. I also still support the DAO pursuing only WB if it wants to do so. He's an awesome guy and I'm sure he'll do great in whatever he puts his heart into.
My understanding of your discussion on SHQ podcast was to bring something like a 60k each salary (total 120k$)?
@yabapmatt.sps was there any discussion to add to the current proposition or to create a new one where Weirdbeard would also be part of the deal since both Clayboyn and Weirdbeard have very complementary skill that both could be beneficial for the DAO and both have discussed about this on SHQ podcast earlier this week so many of us were expecting a follow up on this topic?
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STOPPayments based on hourly rate and number of hours done for already completed work seem far more reasonable and secure for the DAO, in my view. They also give opportunity for multiple people to offer to do the needed work, which supports decentralization and avoids single points of failure.
For example, a person does some amount of work and then they put in a proposal for the work they have done to be paid. They describe how many hours the work took and what their hourly rate is. The risk for the person is minimized since the DAO would be very happy to provide the payment so that the person will want to continue providing their valuable work.
There is a vast opportunity which will sadly be lost if you think of a DAO as a typical company that is putting people on a payroll. The DAO allows for massive flexibility. Let's use the technology's possibilities.
This still allows anyone to be engaged full time. They'll just take on as much or as little work as they want. The flexibility is great to have for the person, they can work when they want. The result? Far more happiness, far better work being done.
This actually a good idea!
But I think we should pre approve a budget and specs (via DAO vote for ex) for a given project and publishing it like a bounty hunter job board.
Then devs or studios can start working on the project and directly get paid when the product is delivered.
It cannot apply to all types of jobs, especially "background" tasks like maintaining code but it could be very effective at getting new concepts implemented rapidly and efficiently.
That sounds very good.
Why not make payment in DEC? since dao is earning that via rebellion sale
its stable currency that dao will never get back
It certainly makes sense to have a link between DAO and the Splinterlands team.
However, it should go without saying that you should introduce yourself and give your name and background / qualifications when applying for a job that impacts many millions of dollars.
It is ok to want to be anonymous, but then most jobs are simply not suitable. It is also not enough if some know the person.
If you don't want to show yourself to the complete DAO, then everyone has to ask themselves what the reason is. It would be very naive of any organization to give anonymous people great influence.
If this is actually implemented like this, I think it is very scary for the future of the DAO. Manipulation and fraud will be made much easier this way.
When finally the statement is made that a payment of 60k is not much, one has to wonder even more. Isn't Splinterlands supposedly on the brink of financial ruin? With statements like that, I'm not surprised. Some in the organization seem to have lost their sense of reality. 60k is a lot of money for many people.
Maybe the person is worth the work? But without knowing the person and a way to evaluate the work you can't say.
So the DAO should hire someone they don't really know anything about, don't really get to know, and whose work can also be poorly or not at all monitored?
That is simply highly unprofessional! The whole thing seems more like a gift to a friend than a professional business decision to me, unfortunately.
That Clayboyn then also votes for himself makes this proposal completely ridiculous. That should be the end of the application.
So the big stackholders can get together and elect someone to whom they can pay a huge salary from the DAO and then divide it among themselves?
Before anyone is hired, other DAO structures would have to be sorted out first.
This opinion is not directed against a specific person, but applies in principle.
Even though I like Clay and feel he would do a good job, I want to say that I read your points and think you make some very good ones. But I'm pretty sure the "big stakeholders" will not get together though and divide it among themselves. Otherwise I think you did a good job of laying out your issues and how to address them in a constructive way.
'pretty sure' aint cutting the mustard for me Dave. Whales have manipulated the system before....
Well Said
Maybe a CEO gets 5k a month, One should get that Just for some public relations and discord moderation?
Aldo you are right, big sps holders can Just make an agreement scam, hire a friend and share the salary
don't forget that Weirdbeard got 200 000$ for probably doing even less work as an E-sport manager without the E-sport, and now they are worried about going bankrupt, I wonder how that could have happened, while not just aggroed but also Mat never learn a single thing from their mistakes
He was interviewed and introduced in the podcast "around Praetoria." Did you not watch that? He's been here for years and both Matt and Aggy trust him.
I watched it when it came out.
That's how I know he's been a good friend of Aggy for a long time and he seems like a likeable guy.
However, the interview rather clearly speaks against him as a representative of the DAO. He's too closely associated with Aggy and Matt even promotes him with this proposal - as a DAO representative he should no doubt stand up for the DAO's interests. For my part, I can't be sure about that.
Oh yes hadnt thought of all the whales employing an insider and splitting the proceeds. Just shows how naive i am
I like this proposal, no further comment.
If this is the way forward (DAO hiring people) Id like to see this part not take the current 14 days for proposals to finalize.
ie Put in this proposal if we decide to terminate there is no pre-proposal req.
An easy NO. 60K USD is way too high for someone staying at Southeast Asia and Splinterlands social media management, especially on Twitter was poor..There's little to no promotions the past few years, especially during the bull market! Whoever's in charge only used it more like an info and announcements dump! Absolutely no promotions to bring in new players into the ecosystem!
With the rise of DEXes, CEX listing outside the top few CEXs are pretty much useless. There's no guarantee one person can get it unless it's also paid by the DAO!
Apart from the initial partnership with Pancakeswap for SPS, most partnerships have flopped since then and always tried to extract from the existing Splinterlands community.
How can the DAO hire someone yet report to the team?
Does he even have a valid working visa at the moment?
We are deep in the bear market, recession coming, people lost jobs and now we want to pay a guy "appropriately"?
Nothing personal against Clayboyn.
In principle I agree we need someone to manage the DAO, but once agreed maybe we could actually get members of the community to submit their application.
Although Clayboyn has some runs on the board, it doesn't mean he is the best person for the role. Maybe he is, but do we know who else is out there in this community?
I guess in my mind I wonder why Clay would be let go if he was starring in his role doing these tasks anyway?
From a cost perspective, the $60k being offered as an annual salary for this role comes to only about 4% of the non-SL funds that the DAO currently has available (this mean funds that are not held in Splinterlands tokens such as DEC, SPS, or packs). This is quite small.....
This part was fun, its interesting to see the perception of CEO SPL on 60k salary as being just sort of downplayed, insignificant, small cost for DAO.
Way to go with finances!
They certainly have a good track record with 200 000K for an E-Sports manager who did almost nothing for a game that has no e-sport, while now they are afraid of going bankrupt lol, don't smell any misleading of investors, nepotism,
misappropriation of funds or criminal neglect at all...
Sorry I dont know you clayboyn so please dont take this presonally.
I. No such thing as a free lunch
For those wondering what the catch was to the DAO getting 50% of the profits here it is. A couple of day after rebellion here we are getting tapped up for 60k
II. Runway runway runway
At the moment many of us are sat on investments in the game that are underwater. We have the CEO saying runway is an issue. I want to know how much runway this position is going to get us. Any position the DOA employs should be performance mangaged based on runaway expansion. Im not interested in anything else at the moment, as if you run out of runway my assests are worthless.
III. Nepotism
Is this proposal even legal ? What about a full job description. What about a full personal spec? Or maybe an advert for the job? Performance managment process? What about a shortlisting and interview process where the DOA is actually involved. Employ the best person for the job. How do we evaluate whether 60k is fair.
I could go on. This proposal stinks to high heaven of insider dealings.
i wonder how it works with the laws and the taxes, the dao can hardly write an employment contract or deal with the tax office. or can you just hire workers or work in the relevant countries. without this has to be reported somewhere and no one checks it because the tax office does not want taxes or trust the people blindly? can there be problems for the dao in the end? does he end up working for splinterlands after all?
TL;DR: LOL no 😂 This proposal is wrong on so many levels that's incredible, but if I had only ONE question :
Why spending a whooping 60k for social media management when we can hire 1.5 full time developers for the same amount of money ?
Actually I have a bunch of other questions and remarks:
1/ The social media management was not especially amazing until now , just functional I would say. So why hiring the same person instead of fresh blood with fresh ideas ? Like an expert in the domain for example (and especially for 60k ... )
2/ 60 000 USD per year is a huge amount of money, something you only get at fairly high level positions in rich countries, that does not seems a good fit for the job as it is described here. I mean there are much more valuables ways to spend 60k for the game (like hiring more full time devs for actually delivering ... )
3/ Either SPL ask DAO for funding (or a loan!) and they hire the guy they want, we trust you guys, or there should be an official job description, job posting and reviewing where the community can participate. Otherwise it sends the wrong signal (nepotism and corruption), and I won't teach you anything by telling you that the success of crypto projets is all about trust.
4/ Why don't we start agreeing to put that DAO money to work and then hire people with that APR money ?
5/ I am repeating the same thing over and over, but SPL need first content and then promotion. I would gladly approve a proposal to hire a senior game developer for 60k ! The problem is not money but return on investment, and right now the game needs to deliver and build trust.
I have other comments in mind but I will stop for now, and I would like to say that there is nothing personal against anyone, just my thoughts.
The DAO´s social media would be distinct to the Splinterlands ones, no?
Similarly, the dao shouldn't be hiring people to work on the game.
Alright, but in this case I do not see the point of pushing the DAO's social media. All members of the DAO are on SPL and Hive and it is not very interesting for other people.
Also, the SPL team specifically said that they would need to be hired by the DAO to perform some development work.
So let's wait and see but I think the DAO will be asked for funding game development in the near futur, like the Rebellion system maybe.
Why does the DAO need a social media manager right now? Is this position even justified?
The main driver of value to the DAO right now is the game. If they are separate there is zero reason for the DAO to have one right now.
This smells like the Splinterlands company is still struggling and trying to further cut costs via passing on its problems to the DAO.
It's come back from the community feedback I've gotten that it's not worth risking the DAO money to collect some APR. While that was my thought at first to get that money working and generating some flow I can see how it would have risks. However on that same level I'm thinking if the DAO ends up holding 10 million bucks worth of stuff that 10% 1 million invested into something like USDC earning 5% would be worth it as that would pretty much cover something like the above is being proposed or at least start building value into the SPS token etc. such as a buy back and burn of SPS. It just feels like we keep exiting money OUT of the game instead of back into asset values which ultimatly is what many people care about.
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Thanks for the info, I did not know it was carefully considered already.
But I totally share your feeling, it feels like a waste of opportunity to bring more value to the game and DAO members.
Give clayboyn a change. The SPS can fire him anytime as part of the proposal if he doesn't deliver. 60000 USDT is a lot, I agree, but he has a lot of experience already. But there should be more transparency in the future. clayboyn should report to SPS DAO stakeholders in the future and tell them why and what he is doing and what benefits the SPS DAO has from his work.
Well, I have nothing against Clayboyn, it is really not personal as I do not know him. Actually, because he was recommended by Matt I believe he is indeed a good choice for the job.
But I am not convinced this is the best investment. As I said, I would happily approve a proposal to hire developers as the game is in dire need for basic features such as a nice and modern android/iOS app.
I agree with a lot of this and you aren't even touching on some of my biggest fears, violating US employment and tax laws.
We are treating him like a contractor here but is he really a contractor based on the type and condition of his work? Is the DAO somehow going to start issuing 1099s? As the DAO is community owned, do we as SPS holders now have business expenses which will end up on tax returns.
I really don't want to go down this route of being an employer.
Edit: Just changed my vote to yes after Clayboyn's appearance on SHQ Gaming and Collectibles. I'd love for this to be changed to a partnership between Clayboyn and Weirdbeard.
While I think we're at a point where the DAO probably needs someone, I'm not comfortable with that person remaining anonymous.
I also feel like the community needs to understand how the DAO funds are secured. Who has the keys to these wallets? Will it be the team still? Is it just Clayboyn? What are the safeguards?
It's nothing against Clayboyn but the idea of someone who wants to remain anonymous to the people of the DAO having the keys to the DAO is not something I feel OK voting yes to.
He wouldn't have the keys....
still way too much money... still a no... still finding an arguement that will change my mind hehehhe
I have 120000 SPS voting power. Small time I know
I am willing to sell this voting power on for this proposal for 0.01SPS, should this go to a full proposal.
You need to reply here to say your buying. First to post here and send me the 0.01 SPS get the vote
Post the blockchain transaction here
Ill vote however you tell me to on this thread.
If there are any specific rules against this please let me know and ill withdraw the offer and refund the 0.01SPS fee.
I'm buying your vote.
Txid of 0.01 SPS (which doesn't need to be refunded in case of illicit activity): https://hiveblocks.com/tx/811949bf35c4a213e806f39309ba6c27ae41022c
Together with my own Small time ~ 120000 SPS voting power, please vote a big
NO
I've seen too much massive incompetence and misappropriation of funds by SPL over the last few years, 60k for that (part time?!) position would be a lot even for the US, let alone Thailand, where you could probably hire a neurosurgeon or a human rights lawyer for that salary, god damn it.
Thank you for your services.
Ive removed my original vote and revoted with a no. I havent had anyone say this is against the DOA or SPS rules which is a tad worrying.
I think this is a pretty good proposal, except for one thing. $60k is WAY too much. Clayboyn currently lives in Thailand where $12k is a reasonable wage for a skilled worker.
To put it in perspective, a skilled, English speaking, software developer from Thailand makes an average wage of $15,600. So we could hire 3 or 4 developers for the same price tag.
I could maybe see $25k or $30k since Clayboyn has experience that makes him uniquely qualified for the position. But $60k feels like a lot of money for this job.
The Splinterlands company is currently making cuts and trimming down to a sustainable size. We as the DAO should learn from their mistakes and start by budgeting conservatively and carefully so we don't end up in the same position.
I had no idea he was Thailand based. That alleviates some of my primary issues of him being a US contractor subjecting the DAO to US tax law.
You can hire an entire cyber mafia clan for 60k in Thailand,
why would just more massive misappropriation of funds & founder nepotism alleviate your fears?
I agree with this.
Clayboyn is a cool guy, and, hey, congrats on the gig... but the price tag of $60k is way too high for this. $30k or $40k OK! You got my vote
Yeah, price tag is too high. Also, people are saying he's in Thailand so no US tax law involved. If he's an american citizen is what's important...
Love this proposal! It helps the DAO gain independence from the SPL company which is vital moving forward. And Clay is perfect for the job imho.
Is it really independent though if he's been friendly with and working with the team for so long?
60k is way too high for the mentioned position in my opinion.
Because of the constant delays in this project, as an alternative I would suggest the following:
30-40k salary and the rest, 20-30k (is a bonus)
Before setting up a DAO vote in order to hire him, he should provide us with targets based on the S.M.A.R.T concept = Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant, Time-based.
If in 1 year, he manages to achieve everything he presented, give him the bonus. If he does not manage to achieve everything, than there is no bonus.
if we enacted the S.M.A.R.T principle for the SPL company,
they wouldn't get a single Bonus Dollar ever
Would love to hear what ideas you have for raising funds for the DAO? I think there is a world where you more than recoup the $60K! Don't give up if this doesn't pass, your campaign has just begun!
Yeah, if we are going to be hiring people we definitely need to be able to recoup the costs.
Splitting Rebellion revenue etc is decent but not enough I think.
Wow, the truth is I'm not aware of clayboyn's qualifications but the payment is too high, with this I don't mean that he doesn't deserve it, it's just that at this time we have to optimize the money, surely for 2000 dollars a month it could be look for a person with adequate qualifications for the job, in many jobs in many companies they stop hiring people because they are "overqualified" and the salary does not suit them, I think this would be the case if clayboyn's qualifications are good and The salary of 5000 dollars a month is adequate, we should look for another person because at this moment he would be overqualified for what we need.
60K USD a year...no way, this is simply way too much for such role. Let's stop spending money like drunken sailors. Let's be responsible for once. Trial run of 3 months, $2,000 USD per month, and then extend the contract following a performance review and a vote by the community.
I agree with most arguments against this. I know most countries pay way less than the USA but this still feels like a pretty big salary for this function. Not only that, but we need to do a proper hiring process, not just hire a friend. Next thing we know and we'll be emptying the DAO by hiring a bunch of friends.
why is everyone pretending that this voting here or on the splinterlands site has any legal meaning at all?
Are we really trying to hire someone as a group of token holders as if we´re some kind of company or entity?
I can understand that the company needs to outsource costs and that the DAO account has a shitton of crypto but all of this fever dreaming doesn´t make the SPS holders a legal entity that can hire someone.
I expected aggy to push forward BS like that but matt? common man.
Well, the people with the most SPS to control the DAO votes are the ones putting forward these proposals.
SPS was largely funneled to specific people that supported the project early on. It is decentralized in the functionality but not in the realistic execution of SPS holding. Early movers almost always have significant advantage. If that is fair or not is up to you.
I find it interesting to analyze SPS holdings time to time.
There is approximately 728M SPS held by end users, guilds, and the likes (1,147,790,700 total - DAO, engine, and SPL holdings = 728,922,345). Currently 693M of that SPS is staked.
This means that 10-14 people/accounts control at least 5% of all potential voting power and the top 190 accounts (excluding DAO and SPL related) control 44.81% of voting power. Given that these people listed here very likely have other accounts I'm not aware of it is reasonable to assume that what these people want is basically going to be what happens. They obviously don't have majority and would have to have some sort of insider network to collaborate. Further, they still have to do some general convincing but that is a lot of power concentration. Finally, this is held SPS and not staked SPS so the chart represents potential vote power assuming full stake of all sps and not actual. If they are fully staked their vote power is likely much higher.
For all those who are genuinely interested in the discussion and the opinions of the majority:
Here at PeakD you can make disagreeable comments disappear more or less far down by downvoting.
1 or 2 downvotes compared to 18 likes are enough to send comments to the bottom.
So you can easily manipulate opinion here.
Better you look at Splex under the Proposals. There it is better solved and apparently not so easy to manipulate.
Hi Yaba,
I fully support both the proposal in general and that @clayboyn is ideal as the first holder of the role of DAO Manager, but would welcome some additional clarity on a few points.
How exactly can the dao hire anyone?
What is its legal standing?
I understood the Singapore foundation was supposed to represent the dao?
"It is extremely important that we increase and maintain the separation between the DAO and the Splinterlands company". Again, totally agree, but with that in mind, completely fail to understand how either Splinterlands tournament creation or Discord management can be the responsibility of the dao?
I have had a lot of jobs, and both founded and/or managed several businesses in the creative industries. Based on the job description, this only sounds like a part time job to me. Either way, could we get greater clarity on the duties, commitment, terms, and hours.
The average personal income in the USA is $63,214 and the median household income is $74,580 so $60.000 seems too high.
Given whatever pay is finally approved, X% a year of our non-Splinterlands assets is significant. How can we create fiat income for the dao?
Apparently clayboyn is based in Thailand too so 60k is basically the equivalent salary of 3+ full stack developers.
Short and sweet: Anonymous people should be No-Go ever to hire for the DAO.
I would rather do like what we did with the most recent pack sale. Where $60,000 is sent to the company and then the company manages the hires. I 'm not exactly sure that's how this is currently setup or worded. But hiring directly from the DAO sounds like a huge mess. That's just my opinion so I'm curious to hear more on the subject.
I will be voting yes to show confidence in Matt. I do think, however, poor precedents are being set for future DAO hirings:
If Clayboyn remains anonymous (which is his right although I personally consider it incorrect practice) there must be guarantees from SPL of their maintaining up to date records of personal details to enable legal action in the event of malfeasance. This isn’t a slight against Clayboyn who I think would work well for the DAO, it’s mandatory in financial sectors and should be applied to any employee.
The contract of employment should be available for all to view. I’m unsure who would draw up the contract (BlockchainFF? Matt?), but if the DAO is hiring someone, it seems necessary to have the contract displayed from the time the proposal is put forward to avoid ambiguity.
There should be a clear rubric from which the community can assess any DAO employee’s work. As the first potential employee, Clayboyn could perhaps suggest ideas on this front. It is essential to see work (excepting NDA negotiations) being undertaken and completed so the DAO can determine if a reasonable return is being had from the proffered salary.
As a final thought I also believe prospective employees of the DAO should face a supermajority (66.6%) vote to be hired, but only a majority (50%) vote to be removed. This seems logical from all standpoints. Withdrawals from the DAO should entail substantial friction, while cost-saving measures should encounter minimal resistance.
I’d like to see the proposal updated to address the above points.
First I was very sceptical because I don't really know what a DAO really is. I thought it is a company that only exists in the digiworld (internet). But as I saw that it is Yabapmatt who made this proposal ... well I will vote with yes. So clayboyn will be the first official freelancer of the SPS DAO.
Make the contract on output basis rather than paying him like any salaried govt employee.
If you guys want lots of employes we will pay for it in inflation
Just saw this response post from @monsterveritas with a lot of good questions. Posting the link here so it is visible for others interested in voting on the proposal.
https://peakd.com/sps/@monsterveritas/open-letter-with-questions-about-proposal-hire-clayboyn-as-dao-community-and-project-manager
Honestly, I really dislike this idea. While I think Clayboyn is great at what he does, I think this puts the DAO in a really precarious position when it comes to employing people. What are the tax implications here? Presumably he will be strictly a contractor. In the US which I believe he is based out of, this would put requirements on the DAO to then issue 1099s etc as an 'employer'. I think this is a much bigger can of worms than we want to dive into.
That said, I'm sure we have already dipped our toes into this to some degree and from a legal perspective I honestly would like to see more formal considerations in place.
2 years working on promoting social networks and advertising of splinterlands_ and lejendarias at 0.5$... SPS $0.014, player churn, 0 new players, ruinous partnerships.... Please Immediate Dismissal
so in the mind of SPL company with track record of massive incompetence, neglect and misappropriation of funds, he should get at least double that amount, 120k / month, or since he's in Thailand let's make it double that to what Weirdbeard the E-Sport manager in a game without an e-sport got who did almost nothing, so he can buy a villa while CL packs aren't even worth a single $ lol
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I agree that we need to hire someone.. but the pay is way too high so its a no
Clayborn seems like a awesome dude from what I have seen but 60k is insane. this is not a full time job, also we need to get real life info on him. As many have said before, this could be done for half the cost. It kind of irks me we are back to trying to pilfer the Dao funds again. If SPL could stand to lose his services and not have issues, why is it needed now but only if funded by the Dao? I really wish that the people voting yes on this would stop and take a minute to look into the future and where they think we will be in 10 years. Now keep adding people being hired from the Dao to do jobs that was already being done by people not being paid from the Dao. This just seems like a "we feel bad we had to let him go" so we will get it from the Dao. I would much rather see the Dao funding devs that get this game to where it needs to be for the next bull run. No offense clayborn.
Like the idea, but 5kusd a month?? are you kidding us? that is a manager wage in my country... less than 0,5% earn that for a full time job.
So NO.
I decided to vote for this proposal as I feel the position is something that we the DAO need to have. What the end responsibilites will be is going to be a work in progress and I feel that more will be added onto @clayboyn shoulders.
Will we keep him in this positition I don't know, and that is something that we the DAO will need to watch and decide as time goes by.
I appreciate the support!
You can hire 10 people in $5000
I find this highly irresponsible given the Splinterlands company's mass hiring and then (shortly thereafter) mass layoff last year.
Sorry, but my vote is NO.
Nothing personal, but spending $60,000 for a person living in THAILAND is way off.
For the same money, you could get 3-4 programmers in Thailand, who could improve the game.
Lower the salary to $30,000 - which is still A LOT considering Thailand - and I say yes.
But this way, nope, sorry but not sorry. You have to take living costs in relation to a job.
This proposal is too large and places too many responsibilities on one person. I agree with the point that Matt makes that the DAO and SPL team should make a hand-off of some of the responsibilities listed, but this feels like a haphazard and rushed solution to that. Needs more laser focused and measurable goals.
For instance: "Create and maintain DAO-sponsored Splinterlands tournaments and work with the community to gather feedback on tournament schedules and parameters" is a pretty loosely defined statement. How much is the DAO going to allocate towards this? Is Clay to create and decide this? Feels a little too vague for me when drilling down and this is merely one bullet point.
Negotiating with exchanges on listings, designing and maintaining sponsored tournaments, and managing social media are all very different hats. Having a single point of accountability for all these things is not the answer, it's just dumping a heap of stuff and hoping for a great outcome. $60K seems like a reasonable outlay for some of the things mentioned, but I'm against the bundled nature of this and would much rather see individual, targeted proposals that have specific numbers and goals that we can measure success against.
Generally when hiring, there would be an advertisement, and the opportunity for people to apply to make sure there is a fair, open and transparent process within an organisation. Did this process happen with this selection, how was the selection done in this case? were there interviews etc.
Further usually the salary is set having regard to benchmarks provided by reputable consultants, did this occur and if so I think we should publish the survey results (if permissible) so that the salary can be justified.
Has the management of this game/company ever made any sound decisions? It’s laughable. Honestly just look at how poorly it has performed over the pats 2-3 years. The fact that they’re suggesting this proposal is a clear vote that it should NOT happen imo.
Let the game die already. It’s not even a game anymore, they don’t even focus on the mechanics of the game to make it better or attractive.
But what do I know.
I don't believe $60k is a lot of money for how much work and the type of work Clayboyn will be doing. I listened to him speak on Gank's stream and he seems to care a LOT about Splinterlands and the DAO. It doesn't matter if he's in the U.S. , Thailand or the moon. We're paying to get someone well-qualified and trusted to handle delicate exchanges of information. This alone is actually worth paying more for to get someone like this.
Also it should apprease most people that this agreement may be terminated at any time by only a 50% vote. (This was just updated for this specific contract)
This is a no-brainer guys. I think we begin to see how much Splinterlands was doing on the DAO's behalf very soon as Matt mentioned..
I have one request: Can we have a DAOn Hall.
"He has over 2 years of experience working directly with the Splinterlands team to manage and grow social media accounts,"
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the game's reputation on its ass with nearly everyone having fled? Now while I'm not trying to say that's his fault, it is though fair to say that there would appear to be no evidence from the game's social media presence that he has done enough to deserve this frankly fantastic salary to live it up while living in Thailand. Can we see his actual qualifications, work history and everything else? Also how does hiring a friend and occasional colleague of the team amount to the Dao being independent from Splinterlands?
It's a no for me.
Woo hoo, looks like we're doing this! Uncle Clay is gonna make us all rich, biyatch!!! haha.