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For the record, since you are slandering me now.
kenny and truthforce have the same attitude that azircon and acidyo have
No, I really don't. I have upvoted everything they have downvoted dozens maybe even a 100 times by now with our curation trail. Not even close.
"you better respect me because i control a big curation trail"
I have never said ANYTHING close to such a statement, anywhere. In fact, i've literaly never made the Informationwar about me at all. I don't make posts about how great I am or anything egotistical AT ALL about the effort. I'm extremely low key about the entire effort. If you respect what I have accomplished over 1000 hours of time spent on the project over 4 years that's fine, if you don't then I don't care. I don't care at all if you respect me one bit, or if anyone does. My accomplishments speak for themselves and I don't need anyone trying to inflate my sense of self worth.
i didn't "doxx" anyone - there was zero personal information in that conversation
i could have "paraphrased" the conversation - but why ?
There was personal information in the conversation, someone's private words written just to you, not to the public. If you want to make a private conversation public you need to ask for permission from the other party. It shows you had bad moral character by not doing so.
please explain exactly which part of the conversation in question violated some specific moral principle ?
please explain exactly what you think i "did wrong"
Violating privacy of someone.
Causing conflict with me and Kenny(long time direct supporter of IW) and other IW people, as I vouched for you by allowing you to join our discord and elevated you to a higher rank so you could participate in higher level discussions. You then abused that priveledge by making it all about yourself, everything you ever typed in our server was about you 100% of the time.
Mass messaging everyone on the Informationwar Discord, so that you can take screenshots of people's conversations and publicly post them for your personal vendetta and use it, while not even caring how that could get them targeted by whales or hurt the effort.
Not caring the people that you hurt by doing this, you clearly don't care at all about who you hurt with your actions(you're hurting people by going about this the way you are going about it)
I've told you before what you are doing is making a target rich list for whales to downvote, they can see all those people you tagged and just open up their profiles and start downvoting them. You provided them on a silver platter a huge list they can use to blacklist not and add auto downvotes to.
Your approach is totally wrong because you are now hurting us, who you apparently "claim" as allies. We aren't your allies anymore. You caused us to lose HP support on curation trail and our upvote effort has now been diminished because you want to make everything about yourself and tag spam people daily.
Yeah pretty much lol.
I've never really had a problem with you or ocdb before that I can remember.
Now that Hive seems to be well above 1 USD, a lot of posts are making 300+ in rewards. Would you agree that many of those posts need to be downvoted now for being over-rewarded?
I'm not sure the exact circumstances of downvoting of ura-soul or how it started, but I tought it was because he had a post that was about 80 USD right? With posts on trending all being over 200 USD when will see see downvotes hitting those?
I'm not asking this to start a war or battle with you or anyone, genuinely looking to understand why there is a large disconnect. And maybe ocdb only dved him 1, 2, or 3 times, i'm not keeping track and I would really just like to move past this whole thing, but I am curious if ocdb and curangel and others are going to start downvoting trending posts as they are hilariously over-rewarded. Does nobody truly find this content to be over-rewarded for the effort put in?
In turn for our curation group, we are upvoting stuff at a lower % for what we control, so we can spread the rewards out better in general. There are whales who upvote content manually that we don't have any communication with as they don't engage in commenting or on discord. So I want you to know that specific detail because yes sometimes the posts in IW/DD will get pretty high compared to the effort, situations like that are outside our control.
I don't know about the technicals of these (edit) downvotes (automated? constant updates?), but imagine the psychology of having to rate what is overvalued in something that i believe it is measured mostly (asking in the code?) in HIVE not $'s ? (50/50 hbd but the low posts get more hive?), even if it was 50% and with the constant fluctuations of price now you get 10 hive / 100$ next week you get 10 hive / 1000$ or reverse, how do you keep a stable criteria ? That also intrigues me.
In those 7 days must be a mindfuck for these people, and the next going to be different, everytime.
Absurd amounts of DV power (going below zero, either rewards or reputation.
Why not just downvote with less power, at least it gives some sort of message or opinion wich MIGHT be productive instead of "complete destruction" of a post / account. But all there is now is destruction. Only with more active users will this settle down a bit either voting up or down, before any changes that are being discussed elegantly by you coders, in theory it could work with active users (maybe), but not every user that posts uses downvotes or upvotes (or vice versa), might be growing pains... and also there was the ninja mine i guess it didn't help.
Most destructive downvotes (removing big value from valid accounts / curators) seem to be following an agenda which is basically anti alternative and independent media and journalists, and that is also not hard to see, and that i guess is history being written in the blockchain.
There can be a technical discussion and what might seem justification, but i'm seeing it as destroy here, deliver there, and i'm not mentioning or quoting bad posts of the trending page because i think there is no such thing as an overvalued post, but i agree with that OPINION (edit) (of the state of the trending), i wouldn't use my millions of HP to DV them like that.
PS: i remember in the first days of steemit people would be like WOAH who downvoted me 0.01c !? What is happening ? And now most users can go about their lives and understand the errors or infrigement when that is the case (small downvotes), except now when the slider goes brrrr: annnnnd it's gone.
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Deep Dives is coming out soon thanks to v4vapid. Keep an eye on @deepdives
this is a great update today. kind regards.
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First off TF, I'll say that a lot of what you have expressed in the past (posts and comments) has resonated with me. I have appreciated stuff you have stood up for!
Here it is rather different however! This response has been cooking within me for days and won't let me go until out. The impression the casual reader will get from reading some of your comments on this post paint a picture of Logiczombie that I do not recognise. LZ actually responded to what you wrote above and in case you didn't clock it (coz you didn't wanna be tagged), I'm copying it in below my text.
Before I go there however, I'd like to pose a question. This question is posed to those I identify as the 'founders' (? :) of the proposed (L2 on Hive, or external) solution/community/platform: yourself, @ura-soul and @v4vapid.
Question:
In the minds of you three founders, is this proposed 'space' a space in which the likes of LZ, and @logiczombie in particular, would be welcomed (I'm not using 'allowed', coz that word smacks to me of oldStyle thinking)?
Now onto the Logic Zombie himself:
I agree that there was disrespect shown towards @kennyskitchen through his action of making public their DM chat. I have had a long conversation with him on the matter.
I also commented on LZ's
"seeking to use offensively, the same or similar kinds of weapons that have been used extensively against you (LZ) and others (targeting a BIG downvoting account). In other words, looking for a solution in the same level of consciousness in which the problem itself arose - can't be done IMO and it just extends the zone of negativity in which all hell can break loose."
Over time (2+ years?) I have observed what I believe to be the following in LZ:
So what's the fuss and why am I banging on drums in this backstreet of Hive which even be-jewelled gangsters no longer visit, for the action has moved on to KK and Ura street? On a gentle side note at KK and Ura: you guys are holding your own WELL. I just wanna point out how any expression of self-gratification whatsoever (eg Ura when you recently said 'fuck' in an angry tone) will not only provoke a disproportionate backlash, but will also be used in the polemics to discredit you and to further reshape the narrative. If we are really 'all in this together' at some HIGH level, then the energy of 'taking sides' runs counter to that. Just pointing out the obvious, no intention to lecture or suchlike.
But groups of likeminds are useful tools and so we swing back again to the proposed solution and my question to you guys about LZ.
I'd want the likes of LZ to be around in this space, for they have sharp eyes and are not out to pump their reps or wallets - clearly, else they wouldn't do what they do! If that sharp vision challenges me/my choices or expression of course it's gona feel uncomfy at first reading, for my egomind would kick and scream and protest. When calmer, I could examine what the 'accusation' was and then I'd most likely see that my annoyance might've come more from being asked and reasked the same thing from multiple angles...and that there may be something I am covering up, perhaps even from myself...and... here's the catch if I can catch it - the LZs are NOT responsible for how I feel if I am truly sovereign and free.
If upon examination of the 'LZ challenge', I don't find it to have substance, I would feel comfortable saying that to the LZs of the world and would also have a damn good expectation that IF there is substance in what I convey, that it WOULD be acknowledged. There might be some satisfaction in this (of listening and being heard) as well as some expansion (the possibility of synthesis and positive movement).
IMHO, communication with the LZs of the world WORKS.
Right, but what if LZ IS behaving in the manner that you, TF state? Is he really? Shall I pick apart what seems to be clear indications of seeking emotional gratification for perceived past wrongs (a case can be made for calling this blaming someone else for your hurt ie. for how you feel ie. abdicating self-responsibility ie. playing the 'victim') on YOUR part? These 'wrongs' have been challenged by LZ (his reply below) and AFAIK, there has been no response. You mention the word 'hurt', that is an emotional word - the feelings valid and understandable - but I see projection when I read something like "Causing conflict with me and Kenny".
I am NOT demanding ANYTHING from you TF! I have chosen to express myself with explicit respect towards you 🙏......HOWEVER, as stated, this comment is something I need to get off my chest and I am combining it with asking a burning question on a matter that I am curious about, but which is also of great significance to me and the way I perceive things. I'll therefore repeat the question:
Thanks
Barge
Below is LZ's reply to you in case you missed it:
reply to - @ truthforce (who doesn't want to be tagged)
saying you have the same attitude as acidyo and azircon is NOT slander
an attitude is not a crime
an attitude is not a belief system
you ARE being reactive and blaming me for kenny's reaction
kenny is blaming you for what i did
do you see how this is ridiculous ?
we are completely independent actors
we are not the same person
you are not responsible for my actions
i am not responsible for your actions
if you had a "problem" with what i was posting in informationwar -
YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING
i'm not a mind-reader
and you claim that "i only posted about myself" - please provide screenshots
i never talk about myself personally unless someone asks me a direct question
i always post what i am interested in
and your claim that i was "spamming" ALL your informationwar subscribers is verifiably FALSE
i sent friend requests to maybe five people who i recognized
and when maybe two people accepted the friend request - i sent them stuff
only one person asked me to stop sending stuff and i never bothered them again
YOU CAN'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO FOLLOW "UNWRITTEN RULES"
AND - as far as creating a "target list" - my subscribers are already public knowledge and the people who upvoted this post are already public knowledge - so - i'm not sure what your point is
@-acidyo and @-azircon have already targeted you
their vendetta was not caused by me - i do not control them
AND - perhaps you and kenny never said the exact words - "you better respect me because i control a big curation trail"
you and kenny certainly act like you can make demands on me - as if i "owe" you something
which is pretty much what @-usainvote said - "how ungrateful"
which is pretty much what kenny said to @-tonysayers33
The basic gist of this whole thing is this.
LZ was onto something when it comes to pointing out the downvoting is unfair, we all agree on that.
There was a lot of stuff going on with many dozens of people having private conversations, the second someone starts taking screenshots of what someone is saying it outs them. Especially in such delicate matters as downvoting and all this stuff it has blown up into.
The second someone violates the trust of one of my friends that's it for me. I don't give a second chance when someone breaks the rules in my Discord server, that's not to say that LZ can't post on #informationwar or #deepdives or deepdives.blog when its up. I'm specifically saying what happened on Discord and there's a lot more context to this than what you have seen LZ post on Hive.
If you want to talk a little bit about it I can on Discord. I think i've responded multiple times to this entire thing and made my position pretty clear.
Deepdives is @v4vapid 's project. Informationar joined the curatoin trail of @deepdives as to better upvote things.
If LZ simply had not taken screenshots of private sensitive conversations, I wouldn't have a problem with LZ(aside from the tag spam which I asked him to untag me as it's too much for me). Soon as someone posts private convos, that means at some point there is potential for them to do the same of You, Your Group, Your friends, ETC. All to prove a point, which burns everyone. That's why I gave LZ the boot from our Discord only, no boot from anywhere else.
Theres way more than went on here that is public also.
He did cause conflict in our group and caused our group to lose 12k hp that was delegated to us, whether by naivety or in purpose. I dont know why you want to insert yourself into a situation from last week that is over with.
Thanks for the offer but my preference is for a transparent space in this instance – more comfortable doing this here. Besides, it is only just (IMO) for the dialogue to continue here, for all to see.
I do not know what transpired in the Discord servers at the time of which you speak as different versions have been presented by both parties (you and LZ). I think this is an 'unfinished' convo between you guys. LZ's hands are kinda tied atm although he still managed to get a message through to you from behind bars. This message, AFAIK, has remained unanswered by you.
I continue to observe emotive language used by you to describe the situation, also the polemics of exclusion and ostracism. Use different words and you may as well be talking about excluding the 'dirty unvaxxed' from society, the energy feels very similar!
I may appear slow to understand this, but as far as I can see LZ did no more than disrespect Kenny in a manner which, I think LZ now acknowledges (to see if you agree or not you could read my convo with him linked in my opening comment). KK - the one on whose behalf the outrage has been expressed - himself seems to have got over his initial reaction somewhat and has been tacitly endorsing LZ through use of (1) his research (2) positive words to describe LZ's research. There was no doxxing of KK. There was no private info divulged. True, some of KK's private attitudes and opinions might've been revealed and that always feels uncomfortable. I agree that the default starting point for a DM is that it be kept private unless mutually agreed otherwise (the point at which LZ 'disrespected' KK). Also true that in the past I once saw LZ post screenshots of a convo with Azircon, but that was from a public Discord server and thus, IMO, very different from a DM. I have seen no confirmation of anything more than that and what you claim to be the case has not been demonstrated AFAIK.
Yet you indicate that there is more and are painting him as a danger to all and sundry, including me! I wonder why you are so willing to jump onto the let's-kick-the-shit-outa-LZ-while-he's-down bandwagon.
You accuse him of slander, he responds. His response implicitly accuses you of pretty much the same and there is silence. See how it looks?
Perhaps you simply don't like him. Perhaps he's ruffled feathers in the past. Perhaps he hasn't let go of shit you'd rather keep outa sight.
Perhaps you feel he's hurting your wallet. You've mentioned this, so I guess it's a factor. You blame him for causing conflict and the loss of a 12k delegation. To my sight it seems as if this monetary factor may weigh in heavier than other (higher?) principles which a choice of name such as yours might suggest.
But you haven't shown me anything that tells me I'm wrong in what I think of him (see opening comment).
Much is revealed about folk over time. The 1s and 0s on this CHAIN tell many a tale of personal psychological makeup beneath the surface expression. I often find the reading of that kind of code to be more reliable than the combination of words presented in a comment.
If I am wrong about Logiczombie, then please enlighten me for I am no further forward in seeing the image of him that you describe.
Might you just be 'wrong' about him; might you have your own agenda; might you have simply given into the temptation to gratify old grudges against someone who asks too many awkward questions.....I wonder!
Depends on the point being demonstrated/proven. Depends what subgroup 'everyone' belongs to, for it cannot be as completely inclusive as 'everyone' when even one person has been excluded. Depends what you mean by 'burn'. AFAIC, what burns in a pursuit of Truth, is falsehood! How else to discover what IS without first discarding what ISN'T? True for me just as much as it is for LZ and YOU too!
In other words why am I writing here? Great question and I think the answer can be found in my comments dotted around this backwater of a post. Also as I mentioned, my response wanted to come out. I also do not think this is over and done with by any means, and although I don't feel like pushing it much further, there are more discussion points which could be raised. I've seen you mention the need to take sides in comments on the current downvote/censorship debate. Fine, but that's not me. I place my ideological hat where it calls to me from the inside. I choose to neither antagonise, nor to appease. I am simply learning to speak my Truth as I go along. I'm no better, no worse; not above nor below; not more nor less, than you or anyone.....BUT.....'insert myself'??....frankly, it looks a little like you are questioning my presence here (and implying it is not required as the situation is 'over') in order perhaps to avoid questions that have remained unanswered. On this page it looks like you may be more comfortable with mud-slinging than cleaning up.
I like and respect LZ. I have never had live (off-chain) communication with him and you will find that the blockchain has registered only a few comments between us over time. This ain't even really about him although he may be the vehicle through which stuff comes to the surface for reflection, discussion and personal/group action.
And so it seems to me that you wouldn't want the LZs of the world hanging around the new 'Free Speech' zone asking awkward questions. Why didn't you say something to him at the time it was bothering you? Why use this opportunity to bring it up? You see, the 'Control System' doesn't micro-manage, doesn't need to! All it has to do is offer trinkets - the promise of 'power' - and by biting, folk just do its dirty work for it, willingly and voluntarily even if not fully consciously.
THAT is what I have been reading in between the 0s and 1s.
I'm not intending to sound aggressive and I have what I think is an answer from your side to the question I had posed. I hope I have left enough space in the obscure and whacky wording of this comment for you to peacefully bow out if you wish, whilst at the same time giving anyone who is interested (and not fully put off by initial appearances) an opportunity for a more balanced view of the LZs of this world, including the POWERFUL work that they do which is mostly unappreciated in the short-term flurry of emotional reactivity by those whose feathers have been ruffled!
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pls note: no tags here, those who need to, will see :)
If you really want to know you will give me a discord username and I will add you.
I'm not talking about a bunch of stuff publicly that doesnt need to be. I'm not going to cause more drama and get others downvoted because you want me to publicly do that. That's what your questions to me will lead to. Thats not going to happen.
You can read bio and see what kind of person I label myself, and read my pants posts of 4 years. I'm extremely logical and not emotive. You also continually take things I say and wrongly extrapolate on their meaning, which I would appreciate if you would stop trying to "read my mind", because your so wrong its laughable.
Write down your discord username here if you want to know more. Otherwise this conversation is ending here for my side.
If 'it' was as simple and clear-cut as all that, 'it' would be OUT by now and this whole convo might never have needed to take place. You are publicly stating that LZ did this or that REALLY BAD thing but want me to privately hear the justification/reasons for your doing so? Does that sound balanced? Thanks for engaging albeit in a bit of a slippery manner it seems to me...I'm not a mind-reader btw, just a between-the-lines-reader who's really happier being an Unlabelled Nobody.
I guess this particular conversation between us ends here then. I ain't gona push no more .... kinda all been said and/or demonstrated AFAIC.
Amen, Namaste.... I guess!
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Namaste 🙏 and I guess Amen!
iDIG your Work Bruv!
As A psychic... and someone who knows a FUCK TON about what goes on here...
I'm sayin POLITELY that YOUR problem is on Discord.
Now the rest is Too long and no I didn't read it ALL because FRANKLY I do not need to.
This has been interesting and a good friend pointed this fiasco out to me. Seems very obvious, Anyone trying to manage STAKE, or busyness on HIVE through DISCORD...
IS THE PROBLEM!
And I might be seeing them in court in 2022... but who know? I JUST write Crappy Sci-Fi on the chain and I have my OWN BAND of Fucking Invisible Marauders who strike at my claims in the middle of the night!
Kind regards.
The problem was that as soon as LZ started posting screenshots we knew we cant trust him.
There are much bigger things happening, and only those in these discord groups know.
Would Master Chief openly tell his plans on a public forum that the Covenant is reading?
Why is my header image Master Chief? Why do I say I am a Reclaimer?
What does truthforce mean according to Gandhi?
Well, for the Record: I'm here on Barges thread because he makes a lot of ART I use in my book. And I'm clear on what LZ represents because Barge broke it down here on the thread. Hope you got a lot out of it too.
Sure.
But when a marine leaks anything to the Covenant...it jeopardizes everything.
I would be willing to tell you what I'm talking about through a DM on some other platform. Otherwise you wont have the context for the situation, publicly given info is missing more than half of the context.
Context
Facts
Logic
Roger roger
I sent a msg. U get it?
!GotIt
Only spammers or content thieves would have their posts removed from deepdives.blog. dome other TOS things that are essentially what hive.blog has.
LZ can post there if he doesnt spam or steal content. Only spam I've seen him do is tag spamming and im.not even really bothered by that. But if everyone starts tag spamming then the community would get pissed off if it wasnt dealt with. That specific thing I think needs to be closely looked at if it's really an issue or not.
Did this happened to LZ on DD?
He responded to what you said about spamming on IW:
He was booted from our discord for Informationwar.
That is not deepdives.blog which is what v4vapid is making.
....round'n'round'n'round....
....but the dancer's gotta keep dancin', coz if the Dance stops, EVERYTHING stops....innit!!