Fuck the trouble, make it double!

And then they will lose their seats at the top. ... Hopefully they ones that take their seats has a bit more of an ethical discipline. Unlike JS who is also a billionaire but a child. Spoiled ass rich asshat

New folks coming in to make more money doesn't mean things get better... just that there's more folks throwing around their stake.

I looked at your page...
You suffer from Gaming... You seem Very GAMMY.

I've gotten into all-out days long arguments with blocktrades about COVID and related things - and he's never once downvoted me, threatened to, or anything similar. In fact, he still upvotes my content on occasion (the more mainstream crypto stuff of course)

The reality here is that it is only 2 or 3 individuals that are causing most of the problems out of a community of 30k+. Having a situation where 1 person can determine the reach of the posts of anyone who stands out is actually worse than what is occurring on Facebook, since at least FB has a large team doing the 'editing'. While this may seem to be a problem only for 'dissenting voices', the reality is that the principles being invoked by these people are so unethical that they will very likely continue to do this even if everyone on Hive agrees with the mainstream narrative - they'll just find another reason to dominate the activity.

Great Comment! HIVE!Regards!

Yeah @ecency is about to loose my support if i dont get some answers about why I cant use their points they marketed to me in their app...

Great Comment and Info!

So you definitely know the Plight... and I definitely Honor your way of dancing between the raindrops.
I always expected my Account and Artwork to be a sort of NFT to begin with... I called it an ENF... meaning IT's Good ENOUGH for my book!

Kind regards!

Pretty sure we're all just stuck in his tag-spamming vortex at this point :-/

You're right, just saw a thing about it. jeez.

Good thing there is ENS! Ethereum Name Service :)

@logiczombie
I can't call 'right' or 'wrong'. I can rewind and tell you what my feelings were at the time.

It had the feeling of a betrayal of trust – that's basically it. I generally dig KK's take on life/spirituality/pLandemic etc and I felt he was being open and even trusting with you – answering who the big delegator was etc, and stating why he didn't want to spend energy in a negative d/v campaign as suggested. I know that you consider everything you post to be for anyone to use freely and it felt as if you had applied that to the conversation with KK in a way that pushed it too far ie that you had taken advantage.

I take your point that the delegator is public info readily available. That had not occurred to me in the state of consciousness where I was dismayed that you'd do something like that and thinking how I might feel if that had happened to me.

It did feel a bit like an attack on KK – I think it's likely he will have taken it as such. Perhaps there are elements of KK (and TF?) having aspects of HivePOWER go to their heads in the sense of that being a motivation to action that serves Ego rather than Other – I don't know and can't say. But I have heard both speak out in support of stuff that aligns with me and haven't observed the kind of violence of approach that would make me wanna distance myself. It feels as if you are being harsh on them. I do respect your sense of purpose and although I better understand now where you are coming from, it still seems as if the content of the update was rather divisive in intent and effect.

You are right that you didn't doxx anyone and that there was no personal info. My initial reaction did move in that direction I have to admit, and KK's response ('disgusting') suggests the same. I do accept that that is/was an overreaction based on emotions and not logic :).

Ya, it's not black'n'white. I seem to remember you posting an exchange with Azircon but that came from a public server. Is that different? I think so and not because of the personalities involved. I admit I'm struggling to pinpoint what exactly it is that still feels uncomfy about screenshotting the DM convo without consent (indeed, as opposed to paraphrasing)...perhaps that it was clearly to be considered private (tacitly understood by both parties) – would you agree that such an understanding would be the default? And if so, then it is here that the violation takes place. I'd say that at the least – and perhaps no more than that – you disrespected KK through your action and this was not provoked or (to my eyes anyhow, even now upon re-reflection) justified.

There you have it bro!

Any new post/comment by LZ gets nuked. It'd mean walking thru Hivetown with sniper rifles on him. ATM the updates seem to be a way of discussing the issue and seeing what gives.

First off TF, I'll say that a lot of what you have expressed in the past (posts and comments) has resonated with me. I have appreciated stuff you have stood up for!

Here it is rather different however! This response has been cooking within me for days and won't let me go until out. The impression the casual reader will get from reading some of your comments on this post paint a picture of Logiczombie that I do not recognise. LZ actually responded to what you wrote above and in case you didn't clock it (coz you didn't wanna be tagged), I'm copying it in below my text.

Before I go there however, I'd like to pose a question. This question is posed to those I identify as the 'founders' (? :) of the proposed (L2 on Hive, or external) solution/community/platform: yourself, @ura-soul and @v4vapid.

Question:
In the minds of you three founders, is this proposed 'space' a space in which the likes of LZ, and @logiczombie in particular, would be welcomed (I'm not using 'allowed', coz that word smacks to me of oldStyle thinking)?

Now onto the Logic Zombie himself:

I agree that there was disrespect shown towards @kennyskitchen through his action of making public their DM chat. I have had a long conversation with him on the matter.

I also commented on LZ's
"seeking to use offensively, the same or similar kinds of weapons that have been used extensively against you (LZ) and others (targeting a BIG downvoting account). In other words, looking for a solution in the same level of consciousness in which the problem itself arose - can't be done IMO and it just extends the zone of negativity in which all hell can break loose."

Over time (2+ years?) I have observed what I believe to be the following in LZ:

• reasonableness: if you don't wanna be tagged, ask; if you wonder about why he's doing something, ask. His responses are reasonable
• lack of ad-hominem argumentation in his style; 'polite' might be the word, as well as 'respectful'
• a dogged pursuit of what LZ views as 'Truth', including an unwillingness to be put off by what may be half-truths or hidden agendas. Cannot be bribed, difficult to fob-off
• a willingness to challenge any power, at seemingly any cost. This ALSO includes those who might (in polarised perception) be considered allies (Vapid? KK?) or at least kindred spirits
• a level of integrity which has not, in my assessment, been punctured even in these turbulent BLOCK times!
• research: a willingness and ability to dive DEEP; the 'quality' of this pudding can be seen in, eg. KK's eating!

So what's the fuss and why am I banging on drums in this backstreet of Hive which even be-jewelled gangsters no longer visit, for the action has moved on to KK and Ura street? _{On a gentle side note at KK and Ura: you guys are holding your own WELL. I just wanna point out how any expression of self-gratification whatsoever (eg Ura when you recently said 'fuck' in an angry tone) will not only provoke a disproportionate backlash, but will also be used in the polemics to discredit you and to further reshape the narrative. If we are really 'all in this together' at some HIGH level, then the energy of 'taking sides' runs counter to that. Just pointing out the obvious, no intention to lecture or suchlike.}

But groups of likeminds are useful tools and so we swing back again to the proposed solution and my question to you guys about LZ.

I'd want the likes of LZ to be around in this space, for they have sharp eyes and are not out to pump their reps or wallets - clearly, else they wouldn't do what they do! If that sharp vision challenges me/my choices or expression of course it's gona feel uncomfy at first reading, for my egomind would kick and scream and protest. When calmer, I could examine what the 'accusation' was and then I'd most likely see that my annoyance might've come more from being asked and reasked the same thing from multiple angles...and that there may be something I am covering up, perhaps even from myself...and... here's the catch if I can catch it - the LZs are NOT responsible for how I feel if I am truly sovereign and free.

If upon examination of the 'LZ challenge', I don't find it to have substance, I would feel comfortable saying that to the LZs of the world and would also have a damn good expectation that IF there is substance in what I convey, that it WOULD be acknowledged. There might be some satisfaction in this (of listening and being heard) as well as some expansion (the possibility of synthesis and positive movement).

IMHO, communication with the LZs of the world WORKS.

Right, but what if LZ IS behaving in the manner that you, TF state? Is he really? Shall I pick apart what seems to be clear indications of seeking emotional gratification for perceived past wrongs (a case can be made for calling this blaming someone else for your hurt ie. for how you feel ie. abdicating self-responsibility ie. playing the 'victim') on YOUR part? These 'wrongs' have been challenged by LZ (his reply below) and AFAIK, there has been no response. You mention the word 'hurt', that is an emotional word - the feelings valid and understandable - but I see projection when I read something like "Causing conflict with me and Kenny".

I am NOT demanding ANYTHING from you TF! I have chosen to express myself with explicit respect towards you 🙏......HOWEVER, as stated, this comment is something I need to get off my chest and I am combining it with asking a burning question on a matter that I am curious about, but which is also of great significance to me and the way I perceive things. I'll therefore repeat the question:

V4vapid, Ura-soul and Truthforce: you are proposing a 'solution' ie a new 'digital space'. Would the likes of Logiczombie be welcome?

Thanks
Barge

Below is LZ's reply to you in case you missed it:

reply to - @ truthforce (who doesn't want to be tagged)

saying you have the same attitude as acidyo and azircon is NOT slander
an attitude is not a crime
an attitude is not a belief system
you ARE being reactive and blaming me for kenny's reaction
kenny is blaming you for what i did
do you see how this is ridiculous ?

we are completely independent actors

we are not the same person

you are not responsible for my actions

i am not responsible for your actions

if you had a "problem" with what i was posting in informationwar -

YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING
i'm not a mind-reader

and you claim that "i only posted about myself" - please provide screenshots

i never talk about myself personally unless someone asks me a direct question

i always post what i am interested in

and your claim that i was "spamming" ALL your informationwar subscribers is verifiably FALSE

i sent friend requests to maybe five people who i recognized

and when maybe two people accepted the friend request - i sent them stuff

only one person asked me to stop sending stuff and i never bothered them again

YOU CAN'T EXPECT PEOPLE TO FOLLOW "UNWRITTEN RULES"
AND - as far as creating a "target list" - my subscribers are already public knowledge and the people who upvoted this post are already public knowledge - so - i'm not sure what your point is

@-acidyo and @-azircon have already targeted you

their vendetta was not caused by me - i do not control them

AND - perhaps you and kenny never said the exact words - "you better respect me because i control a big curation trail"

you and kenny certainly act like you can make demands on me - as if i "owe" you something

which is pretty much what @-usainvote said - "how ungrateful"

which is pretty much what kenny said to @-tonysayers33

Exactly.

Logiczombie is:

• Creating conflict with others by messaging them, and so far has screenshotted what Kenny said without Kenny's consent. Violating privacy.

• Creating conflict messaging multiple people in the IW discord, and then since LZ has already screenshotted and posted private conversations publicly it can be assumed he will do the same with the other people he is talking to.

• Creating conflict personally with me, because I have to deal with the situation he created in our discord and had to apologize to multiple people. I elevated LZ's rank to a higher level than most people so he could participate in the downvote discussions, only for LZ to later start tag spamming people giving whales a target to downvote and taking what Kenny said and publicly posting it. That caused a stir with the other people who also privately messaged LZ, now we can't trust that our DMs will be kept private.

• Making private things public has caused backlash for Kenny, and all of us in the IW have to assume our chat will be made public when LZ feels like torpedoing us. All in the name of his personal vendetta, of which we actually were previously upvoting so he wouldn't be censored.

• I don't blame Kenny for anything, he doesn't blame me for anything. I blame myself for elevating LZ's rank because now it has caused massive amounts of drama, whethere he intended to or not.

• Ultimately, through his own efforts, losing more and more allies with each day.

We can debate over stale bread as to whether or not pear shape is the correct terminology since we are thinking outside of the preapproved narrative(s). I say that because we think the earth is mostly made up of water that it is tear drop shaped.

If it is tear dropped shaped, then we need to determine which direction it points. Gravitational law would suggest bulbous side down, but then again there is no gravity in space we're told.

I'm afraid this debate might take a while.

that doesn't make the viruz any more real either. claim it exists or doesn't. cant prove it either way. Try to disprove santa clause existence to child who really believes in it?

it is not that difficult of the child knew how to apply logic and reason.

Very important facts:

The Pcr tests for covid are worthless to prove because they detect the wrong strings of dna. What IS detecting in these tests is genetic information that exists even in normal human cells. Its cycles are off the required limita to even detect the basic bacteria and viruses. It was set up that way to give false positives to have a high increase of "cases". Again, it was used to fulfill the nerrative they wanted to push.

The next fact is that it has never been isolated.
Isolation of any viruz is a mandatory step for any medical professional. Without that, a vaccine cant be produced for the treatment.

A vaccine is not a cure. A vaccine should contain a beaten up version of the viruz, but being how there is not a viruz that has been isolates to work on they couldn't get one made, so what donthey do instead? They change the definition of the vaccine, so that they can make one up using nothing but chemicals and metals which by design is made to alter the genetic code of the human sheep to become something weaker. weaker immunity. meaning more dependent on vaccines and artificial medicine and a shorter life span, if they can survive that is.

vaccines today are not really vaccines. It is a chemical soup meant to harm everyone. Even the ones that do not vax. Purposely. Vaccines in the past 2 years have killed more people than in the last 30 years before these new vaccines started combined. But its ok, you go ahead and mock the ones about claiming it a genocide jab as we clean up the enourmous piles of humans lying dead on the streets for taking this thing. including the poor chimdren who are innocent.

Well you are saying about flat earth or another things.

What is with that comment? Trying to insult? Troll?

That only works with people that do not have firm grounds to what they are saying and also, insulting is only done by thise who have a weak footing or grip on reality.

With your first comment, we logically thinking and rational thinking people can already deduct that your next move. which is shit flinging like a moronic baboon.

I am studying med in 5th year, and still some of my relatives think the covid_19 is a fake thing to make the economy bad😂

Shit flinging

Really, 5 years in medical school and you don't even bother to question the " official" narrative? Did they not teach you how to apply the scientific method or are they just telling you repeatedly to "believe the science"?

you see? Shit flinging gets us nowhere. You just get shit everywhere and leaves a mess. And it is dirty work cleaning it up.

your only making yourself look bad

😂

Well the economy absulotly got down but not because the virus is fake.

Your correct here.

It went down. Not because a viruz is real or fake. but because of the scare and forcing push to shutdown because of private investors wanted to make a profit so they invested also in making this "pandemic" happen. Have you followed the paper trails yet buddy?

Well the economy absulotly got down but not because the virus is fake.

Right, the economy was destroyed by organized crime syndicates forcibly shutting down most of the world's businesses, with the 2019-2020 flu season as their excuse.

Thanks for the tag... I guess?

I guess (:) that you're either following LZ or you upvoted this post when it first came out (back in the midst of time lol). As you may know, he's currently being zeroed out anywhere he sets foot on this chain and so one way of keeping folk in the LZ loop of current events on the blockchain seems to be editing an older post in order to add new info.

Hope this makes things a bit clearer. The updates have dates on them, most recent ones first (top of post).

What's the point of tagging people that have nothing to do with any of this?

There's an ideological CLASH taking place. It's the Macrocosm in our Microcosm (censorship of eg. pLandemic material which is spun as being 'for the good of everyone/Hive'). Even if these words be dramatic sounding, if you are personally uncomfy with the onward-march of the Control System in the world-at-large, well the same dynamics have their representation on this CHAIN and much may be at stake (pun ha ha :). We don't have to wade in with our opinions if we don't wish to, or if we fear reprisals etc, and totally fair enuff. One of the beauties of Hive is that all transactions are visible, it just takes time and some repetition for images to start appearing (puhlenty of echo-chambers too of course)...but in any case, I think we'd do well to be informed of the kind of shit that's taking place - the looming, ominous clouds; the clamouring for ORDER of a sinister and repressive nature; the axing and ostracising of voices (like our host, the OP :) who describe to the world what they see in visible short stories that purport to expose the hidden underbelly and thus raise the ire of the beast who WOULD NOT be challenged!

It's about that ragged ol' beggar called 'FREESPEECH'- always present in fore/background at some high level amongst all the drama.

I support voices that have the courage to speak Truth to whatever be the 'powers that be', real or metaphorical; HivePowered or whatever. These voices are usually the first to get shot down when ORDER begins to be imposed by those who think such is their 'duty', or who are brainwashed by this or that songOfEgo. If a concept is sound it'll stand up by itself. If one has ulterior motives governing action (conscious or not) then arguments using pseudo-logic to cover this fact and present this or that justification will simply not stand up. Thus there is a pattern that may be discerned whereby some of those proposing ORDER refuse (on key issues) to engage at an honest and intellectual level, for to do so would be to reveal the logical and (IMO) moral weakness of the position. Additionally, in order to strengthen the 'appearence' of the position which adhominems and generalisations are not strong enuff to defend, it is very useful to silence opposition and any other budding speakers of Truth to Power. Intimidation works well and there have been many 'examples' made of folk on Hive (many of them now left or just hovering in the b/g).

I hope I've laid it out well enough for you to decide for yourself whether it does or doesn't have anything to do with you.

🙏

check out @phusionphil post and let me know if you think that should have been downvoted to 0(it's not now because a lot of people decided to make it positive)

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@phusionphil/a-gift-from-i-to-blurt-defi-101